Brexit: It is what yoo voted for
Empty supermarket shelves, soaring prices, weak GBP etc.. is proof of the pudding?
Replied: 1st Aug 2021 at 21:50
Between 124 and 134 minutes before you get a reply.
Replied: 1st Aug 2021 at 21:50
"a new survey has suggested."
Are you for real. Its a survey
We have just done a new survey ( there were four of us! )
and we suggested that Altrincham FC will win the Champions League next season.
Replied: 1st Aug 2021 at 21:55
It's wot yoo voted for
Replied: 1st Aug 2021 at 22:06
Some folk must detest living in a democracy. That is somewhere where the public ACTUALLY get a vote to decide their future. Far better to live in China, North Korea or Russia where decisions are made for you. No moaning allowed.
Replied: 1st Aug 2021 at 22:31
Spot on , Tommy
But will it happen
"GERMANY's economy has been hit to the tune of more than £12billion as a result of British consumers shunning EU products after Brexit, a new analysis has suggested"
So when you do your weekly / daily shop do you not buy the products if they have originated from an EU country?
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I voted out and glad i did, I would never vote to reverse it because, Its going to take decades to sort out the mess and, Its never going to be like it should be,
Great Britain is long lost But now that our, ' them men' have more control the euro 'them men' have less and eventually the English 'us men' will pay for it,
Replied: 1st Aug 2021 at 22:35
If its going to take decades to sort the "mess" "out Its never going to be like it should be " ( your words) Tom. Why did you vote for it
Replied: 1st Aug 2021 at 22:45
because, This is England and our elected MP's should be running it, Giving us the vote convinced me that, they don't know what to do so, It was our duty as English people to tell them,
" hoi, we are paying your wage, do as we say " and the people voted and made our voices heard, Now its up to them to make it work, Theresa May was trying her beat to make it not work then, Boris stepped in and gave us what we voted for,
hail Boris, now he has to make it work,
Replied: 1st Aug 2021 at 22:51
Tom,
You are spending too much time with a gent that flits in and out of the EU. All this “ them men” and “ us men” talk. No matter who is Captain of the ship he only decides which course to sail after the guys in the background decide. No one knows who these faceless folk are but they are there. Best not to bother and just enjoy ourselves.
Replied: 1st Aug 2021 at 23:00
agreed Broady,
the vote should never have come to joe public, we know eff all but it did, most voted because they thought voting 'out' would stop the surge of immigrants , That was not my reason BTW, I voted because since the 1970's common market, I had to learn millimeters and litres and buy new tools,
this new vote was, pay back time,
Replied: 1st Aug 2021 at 23:07
"Hollywood plans £700m film and TV studios in Hertfordshire"
LINK
It's what you voted for
Replied: 1st Aug 2021 at 23:44
you are joking arnt you . it,s been highlited further up this blog & your ignoring it . empty shelves unemployment high , soaring prices & that,s wot you voted for not something that,s planned . get real 1stroke.
Replied: 1st Aug 2021 at 23:55
Some of that is down to COVID. Lots of people have been pinged so cannot work. Not sure whether it was good or bad to come out but I am sure that COVID has played a big part in lots of the above.
Replied: 2nd Aug 2021 at 00:27
'Bluetooth' can be switched off, tha'knows!
Replied: 2nd Aug 2021 at 00:52
Were are these empty shops Most produce is on the shelves in every shop I go into. There are various reasons why the supply chain is stretched but not broken.Have we always relied on immigrants to run this counties road network and farms what about our unemployed? We are in a transition period and even Rome was not built in a day.
Replied: 2nd Aug 2021 at 08:23
I have not noticed any empty shelves anywhere.
Replied: 2nd Aug 2021 at 11:39
"Banking giant HSBC sees first half profit more than double"
LINK
It's what yoo voted for
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Tonker if you like being in Europe so much why not move to Spain permanently serious question?
Replied: 2nd Aug 2021 at 11:57
so can you 1stroke . you have dragged us down this path & wont accept any responsibility for it . you will believe ANYTHING to try & justify your vote . as for shelves not stocked i can tell you that iv,e already had things removed from my order from iceland & lets be honest 1stroke if it was in your face you,d still deny it . and that,s wot YOU voted for .
Replied: 2nd Aug 2021 at 12:21
Poppycock !!!!
Replied: 2nd Aug 2021 at 12:24
I know of people who get home deliveries and they say some items are deleted/changed but no more than before covid. What people do not understand is most home deliveries are done from the shop floor and staff are isolating so there could be a delay on orders.At the last count there were 1.1 million unemployed people in this country.Are they all into IT or hospitality no there are farm workers and hgv/flt drivers among them but cannot find work
Replied: 2nd Aug 2021 at 12:31
peter our lot wont get out of bed so we have to rely on foriegn workers . there,s plenty work but we have made them feel so unwelcome most have gone home . and that,s wot the bigots like 1stroke voted for .like iv,e said 1stroke you wont admit it but yoo have to take the responsibility for it . poppycock just wont work anymore & your already a space cadet.
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The unfettered immigration into this country, legally done by citizens of other EU countries was probably the main reason I voted for Brexit, it was mental, but as regards immigration from people who we want to come and work here, like the seasonal workers, I am all in favour of it
Replied: 2nd Aug 2021 at 13:47
gb
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Replied: 2nd Aug 2021 at 14:46
Whups when was the last time you did a day's work? Stop scrounging and get a job you lazy bleeder...
Replied: 2nd Aug 2021 at 15:09
Gaffer
That is a very interesting article, and 'thaknows' was saying the same stuff on here a couple of weeks ago
Replied: 2nd Aug 2021 at 15:30
TTS,
It is an interesting article. I remember the post from a couple of weeks ago. I have a friend on FB who is an HGV driver and almost daily he posts job vacancies paying £20 an hour or more and in a lot of cases an introductory bonus. I hadn’t noticed , until thaknows pointed it out ,that many of them were working for agencies. I wonder why companies are reluctant to hire direct. There must be a mark up they pay to agencies.
Replied: 2nd Aug 2021 at 17:46
listen laughing boy or kellys dad or sergio123 or whatever you call yourself there,s only YOU thats scrounging & bleeding the system dry by your claims & as for looking for work it,s a bit rich coming from a workshy scrounger who swans around hind rd on his motor bike instead of looking for work ? .
Replied: 3rd Aug 2021 at 12:34
"Brexit Britain to build revolutionary power plant harvesting star energy in world first"
LINK
It's what yoo voted for
Replied: 3rd Aug 2021 at 20:25
"ITER is funded and run by seven member parties - the European Union, China, India, Japan, Russia, South Korea, and the United States."
European Union
"The UK and Switzerland participate through Euratom"
Doo yoo actually read what yoo copy and paste?
Replied: 3rd Aug 2021 at 20:58
They sorted out the Euratom thing last December, LINK
Replied: 3rd Aug 2021 at 21:59
tell us 1stroke who,s building that reactor & where the money is going after it,s built ? . that,s wot YOU led us into.
Replied: 3rd Aug 2021 at 23:53
Whups,
Obviously you are a remainer which is your right in a democracy. What were the main reasons for you taking that stance? You appear to be quite vociferous to the Brexiteers.
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 03:35
Posted by: laughing gravy (7433)
Tonker if you like being in Europe so much why not move to Spain permanently serious question?
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 08:43
He believed that when the NHS was flogged off to some American cowboys and we’d left the EU he would have to pay for his insulin and it would be at an eye watering price.
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 08:44
That Whupsy is not really here is he, he is in Whupsyland
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 09:28
you are in cloudcuckoo land 1stroke . the reason being broady is because the deluded like 1stroke & others voted for the lies & bigotry by the likes of farrage & co . reese- mogg who was a advocate of brexit lied saying we would be better off out of the EU & wot did he do , opened an office in dublin so he could carry on trading with the EU . another is tim martin of weatherspoons said the same & now because most of his staff has gone back home he now wants a deal for EU staff to come back after telling them they wer,nt welcome , hypoctites or wot . and now we are getting empty shelves & today i,ve things missing from my order from iceland . the likes of 1stroke & others were the 1s who pointed the finger at "foreigners"& supported ukip & the bigot farrage & thats why broady . and gaffer as far as shortages are concerned it,s already happening & instead of believing some dodgy web site you shud go by experience & 1 company have already been fined millions for upping their price of meds to the NHS .
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 12:09
Whups I shop at Marks for food every week. There's never been a shortage of anything food wise. As for the drug companies overcharging the NHS, it's ascandal that's been going on for years. It had nothing to do with Brexit.
The CMA found that Auden Mckenzie and its economic successor, Actavis UK (now known as Accord-UK), overcharged the National Health Service (NHS) for hydrocortisone tablets (used by tens of thousands of UK patients to treat adrenal insufficiency) between 2008 and 2018, exploiting the fact that de-branded drugs are not subject to NHS price regulation. During that time, the price of the tablets rose by over 10,000%, from less than GBP1 per 10mg pack for the original branded version to over GBP80. NHS spending on hydrocortisone tablets meanwhile rose from around GBP500,000 a year in 2008 to over GBP80m a year in 2016. Although prices fell gradually after competitors entered the market, Accord-UK continued to charge higher prices than its rivals.
The CMA also found that Auden Mckenzie and Accord-UK were able to raise prices so dramatically because they were the sole provider of the tablets during much of that period. Auden Mckenzie initially engineered this by entering into “pay-for-delay” agreements with two potentially competing generic manufacturers - AMCo (now Advanz Pharma) and Waymade. The generics agreed to stay out of the market between 2011 and 2015, in exchange for payments totalling GBP21m and GBP1.8m (respectively). After Accord-UK took over sales of hydrocortisone tablets from Auden Mckenzie in 2015 it continued making payments to Advanz Pharma.
The CMA imposed total fines of GBP266.4 million. Auden Mackenzie and Accord-UK were fined the lion’s share of this: GBP221.1m, of which:
Accord-UK is solely liable for GBP65.6m;
Allergan (the former parent company of Accord-UK) is solely liable for GBP109.1m;
Accord-UK and Allergan are jointly and severally liable for GBP2m; and
Accord Healthcare and Intas (both current parent companies of Accord-UK) are jointly and severally liable for GBP44.4m, along with Accord-UK.
The CMA has held Accord-UK liable for Auden Mckenzie’s conduct before it took over the business in 2015. Liability between Accord-UK’s former owner (Allergan) and its current owners (Accord Healthcare and Intas) has been attributed according to their respective ownership periods.
Fines were also imposed on the potential generic competitors – Advanz Pharma group (GBP42.8m) and Waymade (GBP2.5m) – for their parts in the pay-for-delay infringement.
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 12:34
i dont care wot goes on at m & s i shop at iceland & iv,e been short twice now . others have complained on here about other big stores being short of things . all the papars have put pics on with shelves being empty . you really must like typing gaffer .
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 15:41
I was in Lidl yesterday, and there were no empty shelves.
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 15:48
rubbish as usual . wot were you in there for toilet rolls .
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No Whupsy I was there for Veg
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 16:01
really so all those pics in the paper & on TV are false then ?.
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 16:05
The Brexit vote was given to 'the people' for a purpose. It was so that 'the people' could be blamed for it when it goes wrong.
Brexit was planned before 2013 along with future trade negotiations with China!
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 16:17
If shelves are never empty when are they cleaned? How does anyone know when those pictures were taken? Are the pictures from the original pandemic panic buying? Anyone can publish pictures from anytime whenever they choose to.
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 16:26
Whups
If you shop on line and don’t allow alternatives and the item or items you want is or are out of stock there’s nothing you can do about it. If you shop in store you can often find an alternative.
The fact that the big supermarkets have for many years had the ‘will you accept alternatives’ as a standard item on their online order form suggests it is not due to Brexit.
If you read the Iceland reviews on Trust Pilot you will note the complaints of shortages on delivery. Apparently alternatives aren’t often sent because of computer stock data not being updated in a timely fashion.
Anybody reading the Trust Pilot reviews on Iceland would conclude they would be better served moving their custom elsewhere.
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 16:27
wot,s the point in alternatives as you want wot you want . no point in having 2nd best ? .
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 16:42
Well go without then yoo daft bugger, and have yoo never known a shop or supermarket to just run out of something, because they stock on the basis of what they expect to sell, and I have experience of working for a large retail concern, and of ordering stock, and wo betide anyone who over stocks their shop, the idea is the 'just in time' type of thing, if a shop generally sells 100 tins of something per day, then that is only what should be ordered, and taking Morrisons in Wigan, which had its own warehouse space, this was because when the store first opened, and I think the warehouse facilities were still only in Yorkshire, then the store would receive three deliveries a week, and the shelves were filled throughout the week from stock in the shop warehouse, but now such stores receive three deliveries per day from warehouses in this part of the country, because they want the stock from the wagon, to go straight on to the shelves and into the customers shopping trolleys, they don't want stock sat in the back of shops.
So Whupsy before the pandemic and Brexit yoo could still receive an order with half of the stuff missing, especially if yoo won't accept an alternative product, so what did yoo blame those shortages on back then before 2020
Don't tell me and let me guess ?
Margaret Thatcher and the Tories
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 17:13
There were already a shortage of HGV drivers prior to Brexit. But Brexit has made it worse
A lot of the drivers have thrown the towel in due to the delays, paperwork, customs checks etc due to us leaving the European Union.
With the above delays, it adds a lot of time to their working week. I would not like to do it.
That is why our imported fresh fruit and veg is rotting way before its best before date
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 20:38
The veg I bought in Lidl yesterday was advertised as being British,, and they was luverly
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 21:35
well you voted ukip , thats tory isnt it .
Replied: 4th Aug 2021 at 23:53
now there,s a shortage of around 100,000 hgv drivers & firms are now giving them a golden signing on fee of a £1,000 . & you still say there,s no shortage . maybe the space cadet 1stroke can imagine the shelves full ? .
Replied: 5th Aug 2021 at 11:58
Whupsy
I voted UKIP, and then for the Brexit Party at the last General Election, if I had wanted to vote for the Tories, I would have voted for the Tory
Replied: 5th Aug 2021 at 12:48
you VOTED FOR THE TORYS , farrage , widdicome, johnson,s sister , paul nuttall . ALL TORYS .
Replied: 5th Aug 2021 at 12:57
I voted for Brexit.....yeeesssss...
Replied: 5th Aug 2021 at 13:33
and did you vote on a bigoted view ? .
Replied: 5th Aug 2021 at 15:53
Whups... I voted for what I thought would be good for me.....why do people like you always come up with stupid statements like that when thing don't seem to be going the way you want it.....Anyway there's nowt you can do but as usual you keep coming up with 'istree from the past....
Replied: 5th Aug 2021 at 18:25
I see the member of an immigrant ugandan family ,the traitor shitti patel ,has started deporting e u friends and neighbours ,even though a judge has ruled it unlawful.
Thousands of elderly and vulnerable people are at risk.
The application to stay under the e u settled status scheme was denied them .
And a post on here has the sheer audacity to call whups stupid .
Y C N M I U.
Replied: 5th Aug 2021 at 19:41
Well Grimshaw, today is the 50th anniversary of His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hajj Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of all the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Sea and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular.
He was madder than yoo Grimshaw, and 50yrs today he kicked out the Ugandan Asians, and as they were British passport holding citizens they came here, with only the clothes on their backs, and they did very well here in Britain, and Britain has done very well out of having them here, the same way we will do well out of having those British passport holding Hong Kongers here, there is nowt wrong with immigration, as long as it is the right sort of immigration
Replied: 5th Aug 2021 at 20:07
If you had a brain 1 stroke you would be dangerous.
You cockwobbling half-wit .
Replied: 5th Aug 2021 at 23:26
Voted kipper did you 1 stroke .
You clearly are madder than the proverbial march hare .
Replied: 5th Aug 2021 at 23:38
frecky why do people like you who have dragged us down this path fail to admit responsability for it & dont admit that you voted on a pack of lies & bigotry by fools like farrage & jacob reese-mogg .you got "the way you wanted it " & now we are no further on & in fact we are now in a worse potition than we were before brexit . these "foreigners you dont want in may just save your life 1 day.
Replied: 5th Aug 2021 at 23:54
Workshy why not bigger off back to Ireland if you that bothered but you won't you like scrounging our benefits too much PARASITE
Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 11:41
Grimshaw....Whups was saying my reason for voting brexit was because of possible bigotry, that was personal and nothing to do with your post....whups, so all the ills of the country fall on my, and people who voted yes....that's a very sweeping statement...How long have we been out of the EU?. All as you remainers can do is look on the bad side of everything...Please carry on wallowing in your misery, my life is doing pretty well thank you......
Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 11:42
yes frecky you typify the kind of people who voted brexit & it is personable because it affects all our lives . a self centered bigot who,s a "man mind thy self " attitute reflects a tory idealism & who has dragged this country down the path of uncertainty . a typical right whinger who gloats just because he won a marginal vote & cares not about his fellow man . you CANNOT say that we are any better off now than before brexit & it,s people like you & laughing boy who will eventually bring this country down to it,s knees . tell us all frecky how much of that so-called £350,000,000 a week has our NHS had since we left the EU ? .
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you hav,nt worked for over 20 yrs laughing boy & it,s people like you who claim benefits & never look for work because your to busy swanning around hind rd on your italian mororbike which the dole paid for . and by the way i was born here .
Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 12:31
Whups .
Terrific stuff .
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“By the way I was born here”
There, in St.Helens, laaaaike?
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Peasley Cross
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TTS ;......GB
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the same place as you gavin . and it was billinge for my birth , you also forget that we were in wigan until boundry changes
Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 15:47
Whups
The part of Garswood Road where your father lived was in Ashton.
Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 16:42
Golden Bear
When we was in the EU, immigration from the EU countries, increased at a 'frightening' rate, and people were saying like you have just said, well what happens when this country is full, is it already full, full movement of people within the EU was allowed from 2004 to January of this year, it was mental, and the figures are these.
UK population increase
1964 53 million
+40yrs
2004 58 million
An increase of 5 million over the 40yrs from 1964 to 2004
2004 58 million
+10yrs
2014 65 million
An increase of 7 million over 10yrs
And by last year 2020 the population of this country had increased to 69 million
In1964 53million
over 40yrs 5 million increase
2004 58 million
Over 16yrs 11 million
2020 69 million
So for that extra 11 million people who come here since 2004 we have the .....
Same or less hospital and GP capacity
Same railway capacity
A fraction of the bus service capacity
Same or less schools
A lot less police
But we have an extra 11 million people to look after
That translates into not getting an hospital or GP appointment
You cannot get a train seat, and if you can you have to pay rip off prices
You cannot send your kids to your local schools because they are already full up with immigrants children
etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
And Golden Bear that is why we have left the EU to stop that mental increase in population
But we need a few thousand immigrants a year to cover the jobs for which we don't have enough home grown workers for, and that is 'managed' immigration, we only take what we need.
As regards the Hong Kong passport holders, all them will not come here, a good proportion will go to other countries, such has America and Australia, but they cannot just walk into this country like the EU lot could do, they have to jump through a few hoops.
Hong Kong immigrant rules LINK
Whupsy wanted us to stop in the EU
Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 16:53
my father did,nt live in garswood he was an out & out ashtoner.
Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 17:15
Sorry. There were two of the same name and age. The other address was Stonecroft Terrace behind the police station.
Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 17:27
Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke
"As regards the Hong Kong passport holders, all them will not come here, a good proportion will go to other countries, such has America and Australia,"
And we'll finish up with a load of snooker players and Cantonese chefs.
Nothing wrong with that. I like both. I'm all for it
Bring it on
Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 19:50
Canada is in dire need of two million Immigrants in all trades. They hoped to achieve it in three years but COVID set the timetable back. They will have to satisfy basic criteria before they are admitted. Certainly HGV drivers will be welcomed.
Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 19:56
iv,e never known any of my fathers side to live in garswood & i cant think of anybody his age either that,s related ? .
Replied: 7th Aug 2021 at 00:00
Whups, just re-read your post regarding me being a self centred bigot....now, I refuse to get into a slanging match with you because basically you're not worth it, but I would like you to google the word bigot and see what it actually means....then look in the mirror......This is my last comment on this, I do have a life other than WW....
Replied: 7th Aug 2021 at 11:16
'UK economy rebounds as Covid restrictions ease'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58183519
It is what yoo voted for
Replied: 12th Aug 2021 at 15:34
so tell us 1stroke how much you,ve benefitted from this increase bearing in mind it,s not as much as the bank of england predicted ? . .
Replied: 12th Aug 2021 at 17:14
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Whupsy
I personally cannot say that I have benefited from it at all
Replied: 12th Aug 2021 at 17:39
Workshy Why do you stay here if you want to be in Europe you stupid buffoon..
Replied: 12th Aug 2021 at 18:34
Its bound to have grown if most businesses emerged from lockdown after being shut for months!
It could not have shrunk any smaller. The only way was up
Replied: 12th Aug 2021 at 18:36
Poppycock !!!!
Replied: 12th Aug 2021 at 18:43
no mention of the food rotting in the fields 1stroke ? .
Replied: 13th Aug 2021 at 00:04
why dont you go back to that hovel of a flat & see if you can start a fire lazy man.
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Replied: 13th Aug 2021 at 12:05
yet another post removed for vile comments . how much longer do we have to put up with this clown ? .
Replied: 13th Aug 2021 at 13:06
You've been slrikin to admin haven't you can give but can't take can you Jimmy...
Replied: 13th Aug 2021 at 13:12
i see you got your just rewards in the end.
Replied: 13th Aug 2021 at 16:03
got my order from iceland today & yet again there,s 2 items missing when i inquired about it they said it,s because of the lack of drivers . so dont tell me there,s no problem here .
Replied: 16th Aug 2021 at 11:28
Well use Asda instead
Replied: 16th Aug 2021 at 11:38
why shud i & who,s to say they dont have the same problem . this is wot you voted for.
Replied: 16th Aug 2021 at 11:46
Whupsy
Now don't be blaming me because your shoppings a few items light.
If yoo don't like Asda, yoo could always try Sainsbury's
Replied: 16th Aug 2021 at 12:23
my mate told me today he went in the co op & virtually all the shelves were bare . this is wot you & your kind has brought us with nothing but bigotry .
Replied: 16th Aug 2021 at 16:17
Supermarkets are reporting staff shortages in the supply chain through staff being 'pinged' from track and trace.
Replied: 16th Aug 2021 at 16:23
Staff shortages in the supply chain are due to Brexit as a lot of the HGV drivers have thrown in the towel because of the red tape now involved with us leaving the European Union.
Some Lidl outlets are receiving orders 2 weeks late and they are having to dump a lot of the "fresh" produce due to it being rotten.
They were the words of a staff member at my local Lidl when I enquired about a certain product in there which I had not seen on the shelf for a while.
Replied: 16th Aug 2021 at 16:52
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Oh shurup yoo daft cat, I was in the little Asda at Marus Bridge on Saturday, and the shelves were at their normal level of stock, the only difference is that since the week before they had put those automatic tills in, and the only manual one they have left in there now was closed, there is now a conveyor belt till, like the ones which were in the big asda, but they have not put in those 'bigger' self-service tills, they have at the big Asda, just more of the standard size basket tills, so they must be trying to get folk who want a bigger shop to go to the bigger Asda, and to be honest I am not impressed with it.
Replied: 16th Aug 2021 at 17:22
Tommy.
What has this got to do with Asda?
I was on about Lidl if you care to read my post properly!
Replied: 16th Aug 2021 at 17:56
Currently two in every three products within our permanent range are from British suppliers and a fifth of Lidl products sold in Scotland are sourced from Scottish suppliers. We now offer over 1800 British-made products, including our own-brand eggs, milk, cream, butter, fresh beef and fresh chicken.
From here
Replied: 16th Aug 2021 at 19:21
Two out of three products aint bad.
But if you want the third product, its ....bad
Replied: 16th Aug 2021 at 19:31
It didn’t say they didn’t have it. It said it wasn’t sourced in the UK.
Replied: 16th Aug 2021 at 21:02
i wonder why the soft fruit is rotting ? .
Replied: 16th Aug 2021 at 23:58
Supermarket soft fruit is coated to stop it ripening during transit and storage. If you buy it from a place where there’s a greengrocer or market stall it will be fine.
I bought strawberries and blueberries from Sainsburys last Friday. On Sunday the strawberries were mouldy. I’ve just eaten the same bought at Marks yesterday, they were fresh and tasty. Produce may be a little more expensive at Marks than supermarkets but the quality is superior. Obviously it’s getting to the stores from the growers quickly.
Replied: 17th Aug 2021 at 10:11
Quite a few years ago there was a thread on ‘fresh’ fruit/ veg and I remember saying I didn’t think Sainsbury’s wasn’t as ‘fresh’ as Asda, using the word manky.
Replied: 17th Aug 2021 at 10:54
There is nowt wrong with using the word 'Manky' I use it all the time, and to which we have a 'Manky' fox on here called Basil
Replied: 17th Aug 2021 at 12:18
Posted by: broady (17094)
"It didn’t say they didn’t have it. It said it wasn’t sourced in the UK."
I knew that That was the root of the problem.
If products are coming from the EU to the UK expect delays on some products.
Replied: 17th Aug 2021 at 16:49
Will the suppliers on the continent not eventually get peed off at the reduction in their trade and ultimately their profits?
Replied: 17th Aug 2021 at 17:04
Probably just as much as the retailers and purchasers over here. Everybodys getting peed off with it
No problem before we left the EU. Not on this scale anyway.
Replied: 17th Aug 2021 at 17:52
quite right cc .
Replied: 17th Aug 2021 at 23:55
Oh deer !!!! LINK
Replied: 18th Aug 2021 at 12:06
nandos have joined the latest slump in supplies along with kfc . maybe they shud get them from asda or m&s as there seems an abundance there .
Replied: 18th Aug 2021 at 14:37
Whupsy
Well try having a duck instead
Replied: 18th Aug 2021 at 15:42
keep closing your eyes to wots going on 1stroke because it,s worse since we came out of the EU . just get used to it .
Replied: 18th Aug 2021 at 17:25
just heard that the great M&S that gaffer bangs on about who,s owner tim steiner has just pocketed £58.7 mill as part owner of octavo-zoom who deliver for M&S while the delivery men only get as little as £2.91 per hour & they have to meet the car & van costs . no wonder there,s a driver shortage .
Replied: 23rd Aug 2021 at 11:55
Tim Steiner is a co founder of Ocado delivery systems. He has nothing to do with Marks and Spencer. Marks have a significant shareholding in Ocado. Marks home deliveries are done by Ocado.
If Ocado are paying below the minimum wage they should be reported to the Inland Revenue to get reimbursed and get the company prosecuted.
Replied: 23rd Aug 2021 at 12:39
the mirror states that tim steiner is the boss of octado which is half owned by m&s ? .there is a link to them both .
Replied: 23rd Aug 2021 at 12:46
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Whups
If you want to acquire company information the free government website Companies House Beta will disclose all. Perhaps a touch more accurate than the Daily Mirror. Ocado sell grocery delivery systems across the world. Marks are 50% joint owners of an Ocado subsidiary, Ocado Retail. Prior to the Marks deal Ocado were the home delivery company for Waitrose supermarkets.
The Marks Ocado tie up went live on September 1st last year so the time span for the employee complaints occurred predominantly during the Waitrose period.
Replied: 23rd Aug 2021 at 14:51
will you still shop with them knowing that the delivery company are exploiting their workers ? .
Replied: 23rd Aug 2021 at 23:52
I didn’t believe that claptrap in the Daily Mirror. They couldn’t care less about Ocado employees pay they were more interested in having a pop at the boss.
In this day and age no major UK company could get away with blatantly breaking the law and underpaying employees.
Ocado have released a statement which clarifies the situation.
For the record I will continue shopping at Marks because I like the quality of the food.
Ocado pay
Replied: 24th Aug 2021 at 09:19
it,s like you putting claptrap on here . people like you who either dont or wont believe the truth even when it,s in front of you are the problem for people who suffer under this kind of regime & it woudnt suprise me if your a advocate of "fire & rehire" . i find it distasteful that you still shop with m&s after this disgraceful revelation .
Replied: 24th Aug 2021 at 11:52
Iceland pay less.
The typical Iceland Foods Delivery Driver salary is £10 per hour. Delivery Driver salaries at Iceland Foods can range from £9 - £11 per hour. This estimate is based upon 543 Iceland Foods Delivery Driver salary report(s) provided by employees or estimated based upon statistical methods.
LINK
Replied: 24th Aug 2021 at 12:12
Come in Whupsy, wot ave yoo got too say about that then
Replied: 24th Aug 2021 at 12:23
well 1stroke octado who deliver for m&s was reported in the mirror y/day they are on as little as £2-19 ph & have to pay their fuel cost as well & it,s a bit much when their head has just got a rise of £58.7 million ?. i know gaffer will come back on here with something else but i suspect he,ll get his info from somewhere dodgy . i think he reads the express or new statesman .he must think his facts are always true by putting links on here . who says that his facts are right & he,s quick to dismiss anybody else,s .
Replied: 24th Aug 2021 at 13:01
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Whups
If you read the Ocado press release you should note that it refers to a separate subsidiary from the Ocado/Marks tie up. In other words the Mirror piece is referring to the Zoom subsidiary which accounts for 1% of Ocado drivers.
As a well educated , retired successful business executive I get my business information from impeccable sources. If you had the nous you could check up on anything I post but you would rather twist everything to suit your own political agenda.
Replied: 24th Aug 2021 at 13:16
Give it a rest Whups, you lost we won, and I am so glad we did.
Replied: 24th Aug 2021 at 14:13
No bottled drinks and milk shakes in McDonalds now. Not that it affects me.
Richard Griffiths, chief executive of the British Poultry Council, blamed worker shortages following Brexit for the issues the industry is currently facing.
"When you don't have people, you have a problem - and this is something we are seeing across the whole supply chain. The labour crisis is a Brexit issue,"
Replied: 24th Aug 2021 at 20:56
Poppycock !!!!
Replied: 24th Aug 2021 at 21:07
"Limiting the number of people from outside of the UK who are allowed to work in the country, while repeatedly referring to workers in the industry as low-skilled, had "jeopardised food businesses and made access to quality British food harder for people in this country."
"Mr Griffiths said that the British Poultry Council had called on the government to include poultry meat supply chain workers on the skilled worker list and shortage occupation list, while reducing unnecessary thresholds on salaries and skills, in order to solve the labour shortage."
Thats what Mr Griffiths told Sky News
Replied: 24th Aug 2021 at 21:44
yoo much read the news 1stroke to keep up with the news.
Replied: 25th Aug 2021 at 01:34
Are we a nation of IT workers or do our unemployed not know how to get their hands dirty or are they on that much benefits it does not pay them to work There are over 1MILLION registered unemployed in this country.
Replied: 25th Aug 2021 at 07:26
Where has the Piano Player gone because he wants to change the bloody tune on this page,I stoped reading all this bloody rubish, Get a job on,t Muck cart Tommy Teeeeeeeeeeee
Replied: 25th Aug 2021 at 17:16
now it,s happening to the likes of nando,s , macdonnells , iceland & the rest maybe yoo will start to open up your eyes 1stroke , it,s wot you voted for
Replied: 26th Aug 2021 at 00:03
Whupsy
As I understand it, one of the reasons that yoo wanted to remain in the EU, was so that it would be easier for football players from the EU, to work and live in the UK, because players from outside the EU would have had to apply for a work permit to live and work in the UK, and my argument was that it is just down to paperwork, and in the case of footballers that paperwork would have been done by the agents of the overseas football players, and it is just paperwork, a few forms to fill in, applications to work here which will just be rubber-stamped by the UK authorities.
Now football players from the EU will have to go through the same procedure when coming to play football over here in the UK, same as players from outside of the EU have been dooing for years now, just a few forms to fill in.
Nothing to be worried about.
So for example let's look at Ronaldo, he is moving back to the UK from Italy and Portugal, and does Ronaldo give a toss if we are in the EU or not, will it affect him, the answer Whupsy, is that it won't make an hapeth of difference to Cristiano Ronaldo, whether the UK is in the EU or not, the only difference now is that he won't be able to sign on, or put is name down for a council house
Replied: 27th Aug 2021 at 22:33
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it,s absolutely NOTHING to do with football or any other sport . your trouble is that the likes of you have got us into this mess & wont accept responsability for it . you will look for any excuse for wot you,ve done to try & cloud the issue . i hope your satisfied with your bigoted vote which shows in your latest reply which by the way is laughable . it,s wot you voted for .
Replied: 28th Aug 2021 at 00:04
I wonder if Covid has affected anything.
Replied: 28th Aug 2021 at 05:42
Last edited by broady: 28th Aug 2021 at 09:34:56
maybe & brexit too .
Replied: 28th Aug 2021 at 14:21
Whupsy!
"Even Britain, facing all the headwinds from leaving the EU combined with a particularly bad pandemic showing, is staging one of the most rapid recoveries in its history"
EU goes tits up
It's wot yoo voted for
Replied: 30th Aug 2021 at 13:57
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Will we benefit from these "predictions" and if so, how?
We will need a massive recovery to pay the divorce bill what we owe
The Eu is also in recovery. Did you read this bit?
"True, the zone is growing, but at a far slower pace than the rest of the world."
Who knows how big anything will grow
Replied: 30th Aug 2021 at 14:37
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TTS
The cabinet minister Nicholas Ridley was sacked by Mrs. Thatcher for stating that the proposed European monetary union, leading to the Euro, was a German racket.
History has shown him to be right. The Euro has been a subsidy for German exports whilst crucifying the economies of Italy, France and to a lesser effect the weaker members of the Eurozone.
Since the introduction of the Euro and up 2017 the German economy has benefited to the tune of Euro 1.9 trillion or Euro 23,000 per inhabitant. Italy has suffered a loss of Euro 4.3 trillion or Euro 74,000 per inhabitant.
For France the loss is Euro 3.6 trillion and Euro 56,000 per inhabitant.
Replied: 30th Aug 2021 at 14:39
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Bloody Krauts
They say that they might have lost the war, but they won the peace.
Replied: 30th Aug 2021 at 21:38
Gaffer, I don't understand why Germany should benefit any more than another Euro country.
The Euro is a single currency. As far as I see it, the country which does most trade makes most money (in €, of course!)
Three weeks ago, we drove to Spain, via France.
It was clear, to both of us, that every other car was either an Audi, a Mercedes or a Volkswagen, with one or two Porsche spotted on occasion.
Could it not be that the money ploughed into Gerrmany, by the rest of The World, after the war, came to fruition at that time?
I can only see an an advantage in trading in currencies of different exchange values.
A € is a €, whether German, French, Italian or Spanish.
Replied: 30th Aug 2021 at 22:14
As I understand it, the Euro is basically the old German currency, the Deutschmark.
Replied: 30th Aug 2021 at 22:54
and wot about the franc , lira,pesata irish punt to name a few .it,s wot yoo voted for 1stroke .
Replied: 31st Aug 2021 at 00:04
Last edited by whups: 31st Aug 2021 at 00:07:10
The EU value of the € is the same now as it was when it was fixed in 1998. It can't change. It was based on the value of each currency, against each other, at the time
1€ is worth 1€ in any using country.
And it wasn't based on the Deutschmark.
Example:
If you gave 19 people £1,000 each, after 23 months their total would be £38,000.
But some of the 19 people would have nothing left and some would have doubled their money. One might have £10,000, a couple might have £7,500 and a few would have £2,500.
Then, those who made most money would have to support those who'd pissed it all up against a wall.
And that's the way it is.
Replied: 31st Aug 2021 at 01:00
At the start of the € the DM was valued at 1€ = DM 1.96. At the time Sterling was trading at £1 = €1.40.
The equivalent DM £ rate was £1 = DM 2.74.
Some 22 years later the weaker Eurozone economies have ‘devalued’ the currency relative to the DM to Germany’s export pricing advantage.
Today £1 = €1.17 which would be DM 2.29 = £1
It’s the same for the US dollar which is why past US Presidents have complained about German cars having an unfair price advantage from the Euro.
Replied: 31st Aug 2021 at 09:30
At the start of the € the DM was valued at 1€ = DM 1.96. At the time Sterling was trading at £1 = €1.40.
The equivalent DM £ rate was £1 = DM 2.74.
Some 22 years later the weaker Eurozone economies have ‘devalued’ the currency relative to the DM to Germany’s export pricing advantage.
Today £1 = €1.17 which would be DM 2.29 = £1
It’s the same for the US dollar which is why past US Presidents have complained about German cars having an unfair price advantage from the Euro.
Replied: 31st Aug 2021 at 09:39
was,nt it gordon brown that kept us out of the euro ? .
Replied: 31st Aug 2021 at 11:54
Yes it was.
Replied: 31st Aug 2021 at 12:25
maybe someone can educate the renowned gordon brown hater 1stroke on who it was who kept us out of the euro ? .
Replied: 31st Aug 2021 at 13:03
I hate to say this, Gaffer, but you’re wrong about € !
Replied: 31st Aug 2021 at 13:11
Whupsy
Yes, I already knew that Gordon Brown kept us out of the Euro, and from accounts Tony Blair was very much in favour of us joining the Euro, but Gordon Brown got his way and kept us out of it, and there were indications that the currency system in the Europe was all to cock in the 1980s when Britain crashed out of the ERM, in 1987 on Ethnic Wednesday.
But Whupsy, I cannot understand the mentality of someone like yoo, in that just because Gordon Brown was right about the Euro, that does not mean he was right about everything else, no one is right about everything, can I not like Gordon Brown for keeping us out of the Euro, but detest him for other things he did, same as Boris, I like him for completing Brexit, but he is not half a nob in other things he does.
It is called being open-minded Whupsy, and yoo should give it a try
Replied: 31st Aug 2021 at 14:38
why dont you practice wot you preach & not voted the way you did. your mentality is a purely bigoted one based on the lying farrage who conned you into thinking the EU was bad for you then he picks up his megga bucks euro pension & here,s some more examples , jacob reese-mogg who lied & said the same about the EU while opening an office in dublin so he could carry on trading with them & tim martin who did the same & now bleating about having no staff after making them feel unwanted while you lot gets us into this mess . i now cant have my blood test because of your vote which being diabetic need them done regular . all these things were told to you before the vote & yoo chose to ignore them . if thats "open-mindedness" then you can keep it .
Replied: 31st Aug 2021 at 15:20
Whups
Good news on you blood tests. The American manufacturer is switching supplies around the world and diverting them to the UK. They reckon in a couple weeks the supply should be getting back to normal.
Replied: 31st Aug 2021 at 15:53
gaffer iv,e been in touch with my gp today & i have to wait 3 weeks for my blood test .
Replied: 31st Aug 2021 at 23:48
As it is health related and obviously concerning have you checked out private testing? I would imagine it costs less than what you used to spend on beer every week. Health is more important than wealth.
Replied: 1st Sep 2021 at 05:08
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hav,nt had a drink for over 3yrs . i will not go private .
Replied: 1st Sep 2021 at 15:09
really .
Replied: 1st Sep 2021 at 15:45
Yoo can buy a machine to test your blood sugar level from Asda for £10 quid
Replied: 1st Sep 2021 at 15:54
iv,e got 1 i,m on about blood checks at the gp fool.
Replied: 1st Sep 2021 at 16:19
Whupsy
This should please yoo, because we know how worried you are about the NHS not having drugs, and being ripped off by the USA
Well we are going to be ripped off by the Japanese instead
"Brexit Britain victory as major health deal struck with Japan - 3.5m Brits could benefit
LINK
As co incy dence, our big super carrier the HMS Queen Elizabeth, has just docked in Japan, because they don't like it up em Whupsy
Replied: 5th Sep 2021 at 11:20
same shit . it,s wot you got us into.
Replied: 6th Sep 2021 at 00:27
Poppycock !!!!
Whupsy
If we had still been in the EU you would probably not have had your jab yet, so people like me who voted to leave the EU ,, have got yoo your jab
The argument is are we going to be better off in or out of the EU
Replied: 6th Sep 2021 at 10:34
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Tonker '' ....GB
Replied: 6th Sep 2021 at 14:56
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Whups I phoned up for blood test and within 2days they were done at TLC.Also at 8-30am this morn I used "Ask my GP" to get an appointment to see the doctor for the missus and at 11-00am we saw the doctor.Only thing I have had to wait for is the dentist I lost a filling(about 2 weeks ago) and was asked was I in pain I said NO told earliest date is the 16th Sept
Replied: 6th Sep 2021 at 15:57
Whups, I took the Missus to the Linacre this morning, there were no more than 3 waiting for a blood test on going in, and coming out, I waited 4 days last week to have mine, there was me an one other person.
Replied: 6th Sep 2021 at 16:11
I had a blood test last week at the TLC and I had to wait 10 days for it, but I had booked it just before the story broke about a lack of those glass phials, and personally I hope they keep the booking system, last wek I had four in front of me and less than a ten minute wait, but on a blood test at the TLC just a month or so before the Covid outbreak, I waited for well over an hour and think as I remember that there were nearly 30 in front of me that day and that waiting room was packed.
Replied: 6th Sep 2021 at 17:16
my mate advised me about appointments a the tlc..
do not bother phoning ,just turn up ,take a ticket and give them your slip of paper folded neatly then go home. on many occasions their is no one there.
Replied: 6th Sep 2021 at 17:42
GoldenBear - "Wha'chotalkin'bout, Willis"?
Links are shown in red. D'y'know!?
Replied: 6th Sep 2021 at 17:48
From Guido Fawkes
The media made plenty of noise last week over the alleged ‘beer shortage’ at Wetherspoons. Both the Independent and the Mirror leapt at the chance to say the chain had “run dry“, with the Mirror then landing its killer blow by insisting this was all “caused by Brexit“. Naturally.
Wetherspoon chairman Tim Martin has now pushed back to say these claims are all untrue. The reality is that beer supplies actually remain at 2019 (i.e. pre-pandemic) levels, and that the shortage of a few products over the last two weeks is the result of strike action from one major brewer. Martin added:
“There is clearly a shortage of HGV drivers, both in the UK and in mainland Europe- where, some reports say, there is a shortage of 400,000 drivers. Following the pandemic, there are supply chain issues in many other parts of the world also. In the light of the undoubted problems, it is important that the public is provided with accurate information. Factual inaccuracies and partisan Brexit politics will not assist in finding solutions.”
France, Germany, and Spain are all experiencing an HGV shortage at the moment. Probably down to Brexit too, somehow…
Replied: 6th Sep 2021 at 17:50
Analyse this, Gaffer .......
The UK is short of HGV drivers due to Brexit. Fact.
The reason? Well, before brexit, EU-based drivers would deliver a load EU to UK. Then they would operate in the UK, load after load, for a few weeks, then return-loading to the EU. Then repeat the process.
The UK government has restricted EU driver's operations to ONE extra load per trip. Any more than that and they are classed as operating in the UK and need to register as such, paying UK tax and contributions.
That's why they're not coming now.
So. If all the EU drivers are not coming to the UK anymore, like they used to, pre-brexit, they must be operating within the EU.
Which begs the question - why is the EU suddenly short of drivers?
Whups thinks they make more money in the EU, which is, of course, bollox. UK operations will pay in Libre (£). Exchanged to Euros means higher pay.
EU drivers like operating over here. The UK government have stopped them. Brexit Rules!
Replied: 6th Sep 2021 at 18:25
Correct Tonker!
Replied: 6th Sep 2021 at 19:33
Up to January 1997 a lorry up to 7.5 tons could be driven by a car licence holder. EU legislators changed the rules and classified lorries up to 7.5 tons as HGVs.
For people who passed their tests before 1 January 1997, there is no requirement to add a further entitlement to their licence. They are automatically allowed to drive vehicles up to 7.5 tonnes without having to take any more tests.
C1 entitlement, which is required for these vehicles, will already be included on their licence as they have grandfather rights. They might also have C1 + E entitlement, which means they can also have a drawbar trailer weighing up to 750kg, as well as driving the 7.5-tonne vehicle.
The net result more demand for HGV drivers without increasing the amount of freight carried. One of the root causes of today’s shortages.
Replied: 6th Sep 2021 at 21:41
Eh.?
That just doesn't make any sense whatsoever, Gaffer!
Replied: 6th Sep 2021 at 21:59
i can say that when i was in holland they were on 3 times wot we was on then .
Replied: 6th Sep 2021 at 23:48
Whupsy
Shell plans to move headquarters to the UK
"Royal Dutch Shell has announced a plan to move its headquarters to the UK as part of proposals to simplify the company's structure"
I know they say that they are moving to the UK for operational reasons, but there is something they are not saying, and it is something to do with that EU
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59288593
Replied: 15th Nov 2021 at 14:34
for wot 1stroke when there,s no drivers to shunt their petrol around . it,s wot you voted for .
Replied: 15th Nov 2021 at 23:56
Yoo can doo better than that Whuspy
Replied: 16th Nov 2021 at 10:35
Close to 400,000 professional drivers have completed their CPC training. Only 5% are female. Could the answer to the shortage be to get more female drivers?
Replied: 16th Nov 2021 at 12:11
i dont need too 1stroke as yoo are doin it for me . get used to it because it,s wot yoo voted for .
Replied: 16th Nov 2021 at 12:34
Gaffer .....
Situations Vacant -
Fulchester Transport Services ltd. are looking for new female HGV drivers to supplement their ‘women’s team’.
Left wing, boot faced, baggy arsed tuppence lickers with short hair and no sense of humour are particularly encouraged to apply.
We are an equal opportunities employer.
Replied: 16th Nov 2021 at 13:09
Whupsy
Why don't you argue proper, instead of just making silly remarks.
Replied: 16th Nov 2021 at 13:11
gaffer
I suppose that up until recent times you had to have physical strength to drive a wagon, so that would have put women at a disadvantage.
Tonker
So yoo would say that women lorry drivers fit a certain stereotype.
Replied: 16th Nov 2021 at 13:20
TTS.
Regarding Shell...
Royal Dutch Shell has announced a plan to move its HEADQUARTERS to the UK.
"The oil giant will ask shareholders to vote on shifting its tax residence from the Netherlands to the UK"
8 Jobs relocating to the UK.
Earlier this year, a court in the Netherlands ruled that by 2030 Shell must cut its CO2 emissions by 45% compared to 2019 levels. The decision only applies in the Netherlands
Replied: 16th Nov 2021 at 14:05
redtop
I did say that it is was for operational reasons, but I do think that it is something about which they are not saying, and it is something to do with the EU.
Replied: 16th Nov 2021 at 14:22
TTS,
We had a woman driving our low loader in Belfast back in 1996. She moved lots of heavy machinery everyday on narrow Irish country lanes and did a great job.
Replied: 16th Nov 2021 at 14:35
broady
Was she like the ones Tonker described
Replied: 16th Nov 2021 at 18:14
Couldn’t be more different. Used to come to the pub for a couple of drinks after work on a Saturday. Great jockey.
Replied: 16th Nov 2021 at 18:17
yoo started it 1stroke .
Replied: 16th Nov 2021 at 23:49
"Saxavord Spaceport"
Britain is to become a Spacepower, we will be launching spacecraft from the Shetland Islands
LINK
Replied: 28th Feb 2022 at 16:40
i think there,s a spacecraft floating round your head 1stroke .
Replied: 28th Feb 2022 at 17:26
Replied: 28th Feb 2022 at 17:42
More good news LINK
Replied: 11th Aug 2022 at 22:31
it must be on fantasy island .
Replied: 11th Aug 2022 at 23:44
Replied: 12th Aug 2022 at 10:37
Ena
Is Brexit the cause of the Quarter on Quarter fluctuations ?
Is Brexit the cause of the impending recession ?
Will Brexit make the impending recession any better or worse, than it would have been in an identical scenario, without Brexit having taken place, i.e. there had been Covid and the Ukraine war, but the Brexit debate and referendum, had never happened, and in such a scenario, we would still have been in the EU ?
Replied: 12th Aug 2022 at 10:54
Just some information on what is actually happening, Mr Pangloss.
Replied: 12th Aug 2022 at 11:03
you,ll use any & all excuses for brexit 1stroke . now tell us are we any BETTER OFF .
Replied: 12th Aug 2022 at 11:41
Very, very extremely worrying times if you have any investments for retirement, rainy day etc.
The value of a lot of peoples ( mine included ) portfolios are going down at a rapid rate of knots.
Very concerning times indeed. And it isn't showing any imminent signs of recovery
Replied: 12th Aug 2022 at 12:22
Stop making excuses for Brexit Tommy,it is a disaster for this country, overseen by incompetents of grade one level.
Replied: 12th Aug 2022 at 13:20
Poppycock !!!!
Replied: 12th Aug 2022 at 13:30
Tommy,your usual level of incoherent reply!!
Replied: 12th Aug 2022 at 13:49
Fossil
Look, we can all praise or blame Brexit, by twisting it round to whichever thing suits yours or even my point of view.
One of the main plus points in overseas, and home grown companies investing in the UK, is that they only have one organisation to deal with now, which is the British government, before Brexit, the British government could agree to a factory being built here, but EU regulations, laws and policies, may then stop that factory being built, that shouldn't happen now
Replied: 12th Aug 2022 at 14:41
more hogwash from farrage,s super supporter . wots happening now is that the torys are flogging off anything that,s left to flog . home grown companies , your having a laugh . but it,s wot yoo voted for .
Replied: 12th Aug 2022 at 15:11
I tell thi wot Whupsy, when God was doling out brains for you and your lot, yoo must have been on the petty, because you missed out on getting yours
Replied: 12th Aug 2022 at 15:32
A couple of months ago Germany had its first monthly trade deficit for 31 years.
Replied: 12th Aug 2022 at 16:56
I don't blame brexit I blame the tories incompetent handling of it,still the rich won't catch any harm
Replied: 12th Aug 2022 at 18:21
really 1stroke as it was,nt me who was conned by farrage & sent us down this road . we arnt any better off in fact were worse off than before & it,s fools like you who sent us down this road . i would,nt be calling anyone who is as gullible as you . your brain went down the petty a long time ago . that,s why you were a taxi driver.
Replied: 12th Aug 2022 at 23:57
Being a taxi driver is better than not working for a living which appears to be the norm for many in our country today.
Cap Fit!
Replied: 13th Aug 2022 at 07:48
handsomemine
By rich, are you including everybody or just the rich Tories?
The days of it just being the upper class Tories have gone as Tony Blair will testify!
Replied: 13th Aug 2022 at 07:59
Anybody with an ounce of common sense solutions I meant all wealthy people who by the way the Tories make wealthier at the expense of the have nots
Replied: 13th Aug 2022 at 09:06
Brexit as not had a fair chance, for the past 2.5 years most if not all of the World as been in a mess, and still is, with no sign of it getting better.
Replied: 13th Aug 2022 at 09:28
So the EU is screwed
Are we has screwed as the EU ?
If we were still in the EU, then we would all be screwed 'together' with the rest of the EU
So if we are going to be 'screwed', then surely it is better to be screwed on our own, so that we can have some control the screwing, and we can attempt to extricate ourselves from being screwed, or to put it simply, becoming 'unscrewed' I mean the EU acting has a whole, might be able to unscrew themselves better than we can do on our own, and I suppose in that regard, only time will tell
Replied: 13th Aug 2022 at 10:55
any excuse 1stroke.more dodgy so called facts from u know who.
Replied: 13th Aug 2022 at 11:18
Poppycock !!!!
Replied: 13th Aug 2022 at 11:21
hogwash.
Replied: 13th Aug 2022 at 11:27
Whups, there was a vote, you lost, we won, end off, it will be ok, when things are back to normal.
Replied: 13th Aug 2022 at 11:45
I cannot understand why the pitmen think we should have stopped in'th Hee Yoo ?
Replied: 13th Aug 2022 at 13:05
because it was better for us . you on the other hand voted on purely a biggoted agenda just like your hero farrage who dumped people like you the 1st chance he got .
Replied: 13th Aug 2022 at 14:18
Oh, I think you can probably assume that when the recession bites, our politicians will take action, and they will choose to follow a course that will make things even worse for the vast bulk of our citizenry.
After all, that is what they have done in the past!
Replied: 13th Aug 2022 at 15:59
Ena ,spot on!!!
Replied: 13th Aug 2022 at 20:36
Presumably that is politicians of all parties!!! Unlike some countries you are given the right to vote out the Government of the day. Do you highly knowledgeable gents see a change of Government next time around?
Replied: 13th Aug 2022 at 20:40
broady
God help us if there is as the Tories are bad enough!
Replied: 14th Aug 2022 at 00:23
Last edited by Owd Codger: 14th Aug 2022 at 07:01:07
so tory policies have improved your life eh todger . all this mess is a direct result of privitisation by thatcher . how good has it been for you ? . when you realise that torys dont care about anything public which includes the general public then you,ll wake up .
Replied: 14th Aug 2022 at 12:49
Whupsy
Well we will have to see what Kier Starmer is going too doo, if elected LINK
Replied: 14th Aug 2022 at 13:12
It would be difficult to get worse than, Blair, Brown, and the idiot Corbyn.
Replied: 14th Aug 2022 at 18:00
i hope your all keeping your eye on the pound on the international money markets
Replied: 14th Aug 2022 at 22:32
I certainly am because my UK pensions have dipped 13%. At least the ale is the same price.
Replied: 14th Aug 2022 at 22:44
Broady over here UK pension have dipped 30% and in Spain 15%
Replied: 14th Aug 2022 at 23:44
pie in the sky again 1stroke . hypothetical rubbish yet again . who,s in power now & making the decisions ? .
Replied: 14th Aug 2022 at 23:53
Whups
Where have I ever said that Thatcher improved my life.
I have said that that the polices of Thatcher are in many ways responsible for the mess the country is in today, but the other lot are no different where making a mess is concerned.
They are all the same now!
Replied: 15th Aug 2022 at 00:13
“I have said that that the polices of Thatcher are in many ways responsible for the mess the country is in today”
Now that we are talking again Todge can I ask you to explain in detail your perceived correlation between Tory policy of the day and say….. the failure of Brexit, the recent dramatic rise in interest rates and the highest employment rates in recent times.
No idea myself but I always like listening to an expert
Replied: 15th Aug 2022 at 06:02
where did i say that you ever did ? .you seem to assume that things would be worse under a labour party than a tory party . can you explain that 1? .
Replied: 15th Aug 2022 at 12:12
When I was young, a commonly heard term was "Crypto-communist": someone who did not own the label, ie did not admit to so being, but nevertheless always chose to advance their argument/agenda.
(I guess one step up from 'a fellow traveller'.)
Today, it seems we have the equivalent: a Crypto Alt-Right'.
ie someone who does not wish to be identified as neo Nazi or neo Fascist, and true enough, in most cases they are NOT members of any such party. Just firm adherents of their policies.
Replied: 15th Aug 2022 at 12:31
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Ena
Can someone not just have their opinion about things, without being labelled as this or that ?
Replied: 15th Aug 2022 at 12:35
Of course they can.
But when it quacks like a duck.........
Replied: 15th Aug 2022 at 12:39
It's a duck
Replied: 15th Aug 2022 at 12:45
that sounds like yoo 1stroke . did,nt you try & con people to vote for ukip & farrage ? .
Replied: 15th Aug 2022 at 12:48
Whupsy
Yoo can say what you like, but if those mines hadn't closed down, and as time went on, so you had your different EU treaties, the Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties, but by about the late 1990s, so it would have been Labour who were in power, the NCB would have quite legally been employing Polish coal miners, on contracts paying about half of the going and negotiated NUM rate, and to which there would have been droves of Polish coal miners queueing up to work in British pits, because quite simply, if they were being paid half of the British miner's rate, then that would have been double what they would have been getting in Poland, so what would yoo have thought about Brexit then Whupsie ?
Replied: 15th Aug 2022 at 13:57
Peter Israel
Sterling has been in decline against major currencies since the end of WW2. It was mainly about debt then but these days it’s the unfunded liabilities of public sector pensions and debt. With debt the government can use devaluation to reduce the cost of debt. Public sector unfunded pensions are a contractual obligation which makes them inflation proof. Eventually they will need to be reformed.
Over the last 10 years the public sector pension liabilities have gone from £1 to £2.6 trillion. Total UK debt and liabilities are now £4.9 trillion.
Currency was one of the reasons I voted to leave the EU. I could foresee the day when EU members would have to accept the Euro which would leave the UK without a devaluation mechanism . It would be a rerun of the Exchange Rate Mechanism fiasco of September 1992 when the UK had to leave because Sterling was due to breach the lower limit of the ERM.
Replied: 15th Aug 2022 at 15:46
"Sterling has been in decline against major currencies since the end of WW2. ....... With debt the government can use devaluation to reduce the cost of debt."
Surely, devaluation of sterling, against any given currency, would 'increase' the cost of any debt to that currency?
Replied: 15th Aug 2022 at 17:09
More drivel from 1 stroke
Replied: 15th Aug 2022 at 19:35
Tommy Two Stroke
You should know by now that any political opinion has to be in line with the Daily Mirror reading Wigan sheep!
Replied: 15th Aug 2022 at 23:41
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your opinion is no diffrent is it .if those mines had still been open we would,nt be in this state now . we.d have plenty cheap energy .
Replied: 15th Aug 2022 at 23:55
True
Replied: 16th Aug 2022 at 10:01
Mind yoo, I don't know how 'cheap' it would be, because it would cost a fortune to pay your men, to dig it out of ground
Replied: 16th Aug 2022 at 10:03
Seriously though, it is looking like that mine in Cumbria is going to be approved in November, and that could be the start of more coal mines being opened
Replied: 16th Aug 2022 at 10:06
i worked 10 feet from the coal face & i never took home more than £ 90 a week .
Replied: 16th Aug 2022 at 11:16
Yes Whupsy, but that was in 1924
Replied: 16th Aug 2022 at 12:00
Why don't you have a go one stroke
Replied: 16th Aug 2022 at 13:27
Handsomeminer
I think I am too old now, and in any case I wouldn't fit down't pit
Replied: 16th Aug 2022 at 13:40
that was in 1989 1stroke.
Replied: 16th Aug 2022 at 13:57
Bloody hell whups you have educated me there, I always thought the pit men were well paid! That’s bloody scandalous for the risks you took.
Replied: 16th Aug 2022 at 15:00
The Pit was the only place I know of, were the shift was 7.25 hours long, and a lot started over an hour before their shift and finished up to 1,5 hours after their shift , and no extra pay.
Replied: 16th Aug 2022 at 16:50
Well you should have all gone on strike for more money.
Replied: 16th Aug 2022 at 16:54
World coal reserves currently stand at a little over 1,000Billion tons, though we are currently discovering coal faster than we are using it. (about 1.4 Centuries at current usage)
World oil reserves are 1.65 trillion barrels. (about 47 years at current usage)
There is of course variation in the estimates/calculations/dates data collected etc
There is also the unknown factor of technology advances changing the picture. eg will some resources currently classified as unrecoverable become recoverable.
Extrapolation of further expected discovery, and usage departing from historical trends also will impact upon estimates.
An estimate from Stanford University is, that the world's oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. The U.S. Energy Information Association said in 2019 that the United States has enough natural gas to last 84 years.
So I think we are going to need coal, not so much to burn as fuel, but to obtain feedstock to supply the world's chemical manufacturing: a role it had previously occupied until displaced by oil.
I guess that deep sources in future will be recovered by drilling rather than traditional mines. (Remember the steerable large diameter drill used to rescue the Chilean miners.)
Underground gasification has been discussed since 1960.
Now that industry likes its coal in powder form, that too will favour robotic mining.
Granted we will have to stop dumping carbon into our atmosphere, but will coal still have a part to play? Maybe not in UK, perhaps by then we will have completely deindustrialised.
Replied: 16th Aug 2022 at 16:59
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Anybody starting over an hour earlier or finishing an hour later would be paid for the extra hours.
It was called "dooin'th'our"!
A standard day shift started at 7am and finished at 2:15pm.
Replied: 16th Aug 2022 at 17:24
Whups
Who do you think your kidding as I had three Uncles working at the Brackley, Mosley Common, Parsonage pits prior to the 1984 strike who were earning far more than what many today are earning!
Replied: 17th Aug 2022 at 07:51
Owd Codger
Is he telling Porky Pies
Replied: 17th Aug 2022 at 09:19
Whupsy,,,, yoo Swine yoo
Replied: 17th Aug 2022 at 09:20
i can prove it . just ask handsome miner who worked at the same pit as me & the bonus scheme they had there . todger if you worked there you would.nt be calling anyone a liar also sammys on another blog worked with me ask him too . 1stroke if i were you i,d not be calling anyone a liar until you know the facts. the typists at anderton house were getting £25 in bonus while we at golborne were on a tenner . the face men made all the money at golborne & we got nowt & had to put up with 50% of a pit bonus while typists were on 100% area bonus
Replied: 17th Aug 2022 at 11:34
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One stroke I worked with whips in c9 return and the money we earned was what whups says only started to earn good money when I went to do my face training the haulage was very poorly paid at golborne because the face men arranged there own bonus
Replied: 17th Aug 2022 at 11:42
Whupsy
Ok then, I belive yoo, I apologise for not saying, but thinking that you might, have been telling Pork Pies
On about Anderton House, I was in Leigh on Monday, and I came back a daft way, past where Anderton House was, I had not been on that road in years, all new residential property there now, but it has been like that for a while now.
It struck me on Monday, as to how much better Leigh Town Centre is, when compared to Wigan Town Centre
Replied: 17th Aug 2022 at 12:43
maybe so but i,m no liar & that todger who has never been near a pit shud take a leaf out of your book .
Replied: 17th Aug 2022 at 23:54
In 1981 I was on a Pipeline in Consett and from memory the minimum bonus was £1 an hour. Everyone worked around 70 hours a week. I think the Dozer operators were on £2 an hour.
Replied: 18th Aug 2022 at 03:42
We are short of all kinds of workers because many have found during the pandemic, they are as well off living on todays benefit system with all its perks than doing a boring minimum wage job on a conveyor line, sewing factory or bending their backs in a farmer's field.
Nothing to do with Brexit, but people simply not wanting to work for a living like they used to be when the benefit system was nothing like it is today!
Replied: 18th Aug 2022 at 07:32
Whups
My dad's side of the family as well as my Wife's all worked in the mining industry and from what I remember, the most poorly paid were those like my Father who worked on the surface while those who worked underground, especially on the coal face earned far more.
You have never stated the time that you and your colleagues worked in the mining industry, what jobs you did and what the average national wage was when you were only earning £90 per week.
As for for the comment that I had never been near a pit, it may interest to know that sometimes during my school holiday's, I used to ride on my Dad's engine all over the Lancashire Coalfield to collect wagons from the various pits to Linneyshaw Moss for onward transit to Kearsley Power Station.
Replied: 18th Aug 2022 at 08:01
Owd 'Un - don't feel inferior just because you've never been down a pit. I know an orthopedic specialist who's never been down a pit in her life.
I, myself, have never rode on an engine all over the Lancashire Coalfield. Neither have I any idea about orthopedic specialism! However, I have worked at a colliery for twelve years and have been down a pit. Numerous pits, in fact.
I can second what Whups says about miner's wages. Most were poorly paid.
Here's a couple of examples - My last wage, in 1986, was £87.60. That was for a full week, on the surface. My Dad's last wage , in 1985, was over £800. You see the difference? He's done seven x 16 hour shifts, in the shaft, as part of the shaft team, changing the guide ropes what the cage slid down. I'd done nothing!
Replied: 18th Aug 2022 at 10:26
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Why is there so much hostility on WW to ex miners?
Replied: 18th Aug 2022 at 11:28
Who exactly is hostile to the miners on WW ?
Replied: 18th Aug 2022 at 12:29
It’s not exactly ‘hostility’. It’s just that people believe the tales told, face value, without question, and they take the hump if anybody tries to correct them.
Yes, some people who worked in the mining industry earned a lot of money. But they didn’t get it for nowt. My dad earned a lot of money because they got a lot from him.
I earned very little and they got very little from me in return. But, the truth of the matter is, miners were well behind most other industries in the wages stakes. Then, they were frauded with their redundancy payments and now they’re being frauded with compensation claims.
And every man and his dog are helping themselves to their pension fund!
Replied: 18th Aug 2022 at 13:45
I’m on my I-phone, that’s why it’s posted twice!
Replied: 18th Aug 2022 at 13:45
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tonker,
First of all, I only mentioned about riding on my dad's train because of Whups making the comment about me having never been near a pit.
Secondly, If you were only getting £87.60 in 1989 as you claim, surely it was to get out and get a better paid job elsewhere as at that time, my wage working in the engineering industry was nearly double that amount.
Replied: 19th Aug 2022 at 07:11
why shud anyone have to leave their job ? . the country was,nt exactly overflowing with jobs or have you forgot the miners ,steelworkers & those in manufacturing who thatcher put on the dole ? .we arnt claiming anything that,s untrue we are claiming it as a FACT . now having heard from 3 diffrent sources how much more proof do you need todger ? .i stick to wot iv,e said "you,ve never been near a pit " .
Replied: 20th Aug 2022 at 14:36
Who were classed as 'face workers'? Was it only those who cut the coal, or where a wider group of activities included in the classification?
I remember watching the two men (only one of them at the controls) operate the Anderton Shearer Loader on the Trencherbone seam at Golborne. I guess it was more demanding that quite a few other roles would be, and operating that thing accurately amongst all the noise dust and vibration can't have been easy. Nevertheless, there must have been a huge range of adversity pertaining to the many varied roles which had to be performed.
Replied: 20th Aug 2022 at 14:59
Old Codswallop, I was getting that wage in 1986, not 1989. However, it was a lot less than others were getting in other state-owned utility industries.
You say you got twice that amount, and I'm not surprised, really.
At that time, I was making money elsewhere, so my wage didn't really matter and I seldom did a full week there. Me and the pit didn't get on well, as it started too early in a morning and I'd only just gone to bed!
Replied: 20th Aug 2022 at 15:05
Posted by: Owd Codger
"As for for the comment that I had never been near a pit, it may interest to know that sometimes during my school holiday's, I used to ride on my Dad's engine all over the Lancashire Coalfield to collect wagons from the various pits to Linneyshaw Moss for onward transit to Kearsley Power Station."
So you had a ride on your your dads train in your school holidays all over the Lancashire Coalfields. Does that make you a Pitman?
Replied: 20th Aug 2022 at 15:34
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Whupsy
"you,ve never been near a pit "
I have been near a pit, it was Bickershaw Pit Yard, and we in there in the pitch black, doing wheelies on the motorbikes, I broke me finger
Replied: 20th Aug 2022 at 15:56
so wot.
Replied: 20th Aug 2022 at 23:56
Whupsy
AND, in 1980 when I was delivering to shops in the Leigh area, I would park me van up near Parsonage Colliery, and have me dinner whilst watching the pit head gear winding away
Replied: 21st Aug 2022 at 08:16
Cheshire Cat
What make you think you are a Cheshire Cat and not a common Tabby?
Replied: 21st Aug 2022 at 09:08
Owd Codpiece - He can be the Cheshire Cat and you can be Alice in Wiganland !
Replied: 21st Aug 2022 at 09:47
Wonker
And be a Walter Mitty like yourself?
Replied: 22nd Aug 2022 at 07:13
that just about sums you up 1stroke.
Replied: 24th Aug 2022 at 01:20
Whupsy
Yoo are always having a go at me
Replied: 24th Aug 2022 at 11:08
It's because your a gobsh*'te onestroke
Replied: 24th Aug 2022 at 14:27
Thank Yoo
Replied: 24th Aug 2022 at 15:25
quite right colin.
Replied: 24th Aug 2022 at 15:37
Brian Dave Austin's back living over here
Replied: 25th Aug 2022 at 16:20
where abouts colin . why has he come back ? .
Replied: 26th Aug 2022 at 12:03
In Hindley green with his son at moment till they find something he just retired and kids n grandkids have been back a while
Replied: 26th Aug 2022 at 16:56
i wonder why he came back after all that time in S A ?
Replied: 26th Aug 2022 at 23:50
Whups
Your friend has probably returned from South Africa because of the worsening security situation particularly in the north of the country.
Corruption and poverty are leading to a powder keg situation which could explode into mass violence at any time.
I get a regular update from my sister who has lived in Cape Town since the mid sixties.
Replied: 27th Aug 2022 at 12:07
a bit like here.
Replied: 27th Aug 2022 at 23:55
I visited Cape Town a few years ago and didn’t feel safe at all, even walking round the touristy places, I wasn’t visiting alone. Many of the properties had warning notices advising quick response security would arrive if needed. Also the number of properties seen with electrified fencing was concerning.
On the other hand I visited San Francisco alone without worry around the touristy districts.
Replied: 28th Aug 2022 at 07:39
Anne
You need to visit some of our big cities when it is dark.
Like rats coming out of the sewers, as my Wife and I experienced while staying at a hotel in the Earls Court area of London.
Gaffer,
A powder keg situation which could also occur in our country in the future with so many people of different ethnic races who have fled here as a result of hating each other in their own countries.
Replied: 28th Aug 2022 at 09:57
Replied: 28th Aug 2022 at 11:16
i wonder who,s stoking the fire for that ? .
Replied: 28th Aug 2022 at 12:16
"'Shame for Rejoiners' - 'NO predictions came out right' with exports to EU at record high"
LINK
Replied: 30th Aug 2022 at 18:03
OC.It’s not too long ago I saw rats scuttling about in front Galloways in Wigan one morning.
Replied: 30th Aug 2022 at 18:44
Tommy the source of your info Mr Longworth and the DE ,not very neutral are they
Replied: 30th Aug 2022 at 19:08
I wouldn't know, I am not an Oxford educated professor
Replied: 30th Aug 2022 at 21:31
but you,ll use anything to try & prove your right . it,s not been all that good since we left as it 1stroke .
Replied: 30th Aug 2022 at 23:41
I,d never of guessed that one stroke
Replied: 31st Aug 2022 at 09:17
really colin he,s got a signed picture of farrage on his wall .
Replied: 1st Sep 2022 at 12:31
Goebbels would have been proud of Farrage .
Bullshitter of the century..
Replied: 1st Sep 2022 at 12:52
Are yoo all bored .....
Replied: 1st Sep 2022 at 13:27
your not it seems .
Replied: 1st Sep 2022 at 17:18
Replied: 3rd Sep 2022 at 09:45
Fossil
Before yoo start I will hold my hand up and admit that I am not an Oxford educated anything, but if we had not left the EU, it had not happened, would things have been better in this country now and in the world, with Britain still in the EU ?
I am thinking of the
Covid response ?
Leading the world in supporting Ukraine ?
The AUKUS treaty ?
Firms relocating to Britain to avoid EU bureaucracy ?
The list is endless
Replied: 3rd Sep 2022 at 10:11
tts ,a simple answer ....YES and we have gone backwards as the video shows.
Even the architects of brexit seem to agree!
Replied: 3rd Sep 2022 at 10:25
Fossil
It is just the old Remainer v Leaver crap.
You believe what you want to believe, and I will believe the truth, but as I have said before, I am going to give it five years, and then see where we are up to
Replied: 3rd Sep 2022 at 11:29
you just wont accept that we are worse off since brexit . you voted for a bigoted veiw & on immigration only , just like your hero farrage .the simple fact is we are worse off with brexit & you,ll use any excuse just to try & prove your point .
Replied: 3rd Sep 2022 at 11:41
Whupsy
How are we worse off since Brexit, explain yourself ?
And as regards being 'bigoted' you are the biggest 'bigot' on these boards by far, just loo at how you treat Tory Voters.
So come on Whupsy, yoo explain how we are 'worse off' because of Brexit ?
Replied: 3rd Sep 2022 at 11:52
TTS 5 years to wait for what was supposed to be instant improvements to the countries welfare as promised.
You ignore the facts!
Oven ready
Replied: 3rd Sep 2022 at 11:54
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Fossil
Whoo said anything about 'instant improvements', certainly not me ?
Oven Ready Deal ? well not quite, but he still managed to get it cooked
Replied: 3rd Sep 2022 at 12:22
the only thing he cooked was the books . so 1stroke let me tell you why i,m against torys . they hate everything public which include the public , look at the laws they make which more than favour the rich while sticking it to the public . big firms prospered while the little ones went bust & they did nothing to stop it . women in general got a raw deal by making them wait until they are 66 & stopped their free prescriptions & bus passes among other things . you on the other hand hate everything that comes across the channel irrespective or age colour or creed , men women & even children & some of who have paid for it with their lives . you also backed the biggest racist & bigot the tory party has ever had in nigel farrage & even tried to hoodwink people on this site to vote for his party ukip . like most racists you dont know the diffrence between an asylum seeker & a refugee & wot their entitlements are . it,s as tho they are taking money out of your pocket & at £ 40-85 pw per person . you never mention the fact that the rich & big business send their money out of the country without paying any tax or very little which accounts for billions of lost revenue . i think there,s a vast diffrence between me & you 1stroke of which your thinking leaves a very nasty taste in ones mouth .
Replied: 3rd Sep 2022 at 13:55
Whupsy
I agree about the WASPI women, that is a travesty.
As regards the asylum seekers, they are not asylum seekers, they are young single males travelling alone, economic migrants, scroungers, rapists, murderers and such like, and they throw their phones and any documents which can identify them, overboard into the channel, before they are picked up by the Border Force Taxi Service, and once their asylum applications have been rejected, they disappear into the black economy, before they can be deported, and then who is not paying any tax.
And as regards all these personal attacks from yourself on to me, just remember Whupsy, that "It Is Nice To Be Nice"
Replied: 3rd Sep 2022 at 21:47
I thought 70% of applications for political asylum in UK were granted. (and majority of those rejected, granted on appeal)
Replied: 3rd Sep 2022 at 22:13
they are still processing them after a year on & until they are processed they cant work . 1stroke can you tell me the nationality of harold shipman , the rapist taxi driver , martin mcguiness & adams , the cop wayne couzens who handcuffed & murdered sarah everhard , serial killer steven halliwell . i dont think they came over on a boat did they .get your facts right . they arnt personal they are facts which you dont acknowlege , do you
Replied: 4th Sep 2022 at 00:11
and your still using farrage statements like "border force taxis" which he,s used in the past . just another fact , nothin personal .and your right "its nice to be nice" which you show very little of .
Replied: 4th Sep 2022 at 01:21
Ena
Point is that the system is not working, and if the rules are followed, and the asylum seeker is ordered to be deported, they can disappear into the black economy, but they don't need to do that because clever human rights lawyers stop them being deported too, and coming on to what Whupsy says about them only getting a few quid a week.
Whupsy
They disappear into the black economy, so that they can earn money, yoo don't think that they paddle across the channel in a dingehey, to live on twenty quid a week do you
Whupsy
What is all that about Harold Shipman and the other home grown murdering scum we have in this country, do you want more of those sorts here Whupsy ?
Stupid argument, are you really saying that we should let serious criminal types into this country, because we already have some of our own ?
Why do the asylum seekers get rid of anything on themselves, which can identify them to the British authorities, what have they got to hide, perhaps they want to hide the truth ?
Replied: 4th Sep 2022 at 12:12
you started it . your trying to paint all asylum seekers with the same brush . i,m trying to tell you that we have enough of our own in that bracket & i forgot about the yorkshire ripper , what,s his nationality ? .
Replied: 4th Sep 2022 at 12:16
The migrants are ruining this country, and as others have said, almost all are young men, and they are looked after better than our own, it,s the young people born here who I feel sorry for.
Replied: 4th Sep 2022 at 12:28
some of those you mention are born here .
Replied: 4th Sep 2022 at 12:30
"Jaguar Land Rover-owner to pick UK over Spain for giant car battery plant"
LINK
Replied: 24th May 2023 at 15:23
gbv
Replied: 24th May 2023 at 16:09
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Erm ....................
They will be building the electric cars which require the batteries at Halewood in Liverpool, is that not near enough to Wigan, for folk from Wigan to work there, I knew folk in the 1960s and 70s who worked at Fords Halewood plant, they said to was a great place to work (or not) because they got plenty of time off
Replied: 24th May 2023 at 16:17
It is very good news, but the owners are an Indian company who also own some of our steelworks, and we have given India loads of money in aid, maybe we still do.
Replied: 24th May 2023 at 19:04
i,ll belive it when i see it .
Replied: 25th May 2023 at 00:02
If people think it is bad under the present lot, they should consider, will it be any better under the other lot?
If their past record of unkept promises, wasting of taxpayers money etc coupled with their present poor level of leadership is anything to go by, it will be no better and might even be worse!
That is the real mess we are in, both as bad as each other!
Replied: 25th May 2023 at 06:32
yet ANOTHER hypothetical question by todger . who is in power & making these decisions & laws todger . it,s absolutely NOTHING to do with the " other lot" is it . wise up .
Replied: 25th May 2023 at 11:10
More crap O C
Replied: 25th May 2023 at 13:18
In the meantime, life goes on for the majority in the knowledge that both the Tories and Labour parties of today are both as bad as each other in running the country while at the same time looking after number one.
That's the real mess we are i!.
A poor Tory Government and a no better opposition Labour Party without even a good leader!
Replied: 26th May 2023 at 07:49
how come everyone has the same opinion of you todger ? .
Replied: 26th May 2023 at 10:41
"UK’s first post-Brexit trade deals to go live at midnight on Wednesday"
LINK
Replied: 31st May 2023 at 14:59
UK’s first post-Brexit trade deals with China don't count then?
Replied: 31st May 2023 at 15:16
More carp OC
Replied: 31st May 2023 at 19:39
Crap oC
Replied: 31st May 2023 at 19:40
so much for the " brexit britian surges back " quip .
Replied: 3rd Jun 2023 at 11:06
Whupsy
Why are yoo talking Britain down, yoo should be proud of your country
Replied: 3rd Jun 2023 at 12:55
Bring back the 'European Commission for Space Travel, Jazz Funk and Hairy Fannies'. All is forgiven!
Replied: 3rd Jun 2023 at 12:55
Replied: 3rd Jun 2023 at 13:30
who says i,m not but YOO got it wrong along with your hero farage .
Replied: 3rd Jun 2023 at 23:48
Whupsy
Yoo miners are all the bloody same, yoo think that the world should revolve around yoo, and no one else matters, because I put a picture of Margaret Thatcher on your miners topic, it was joke, it was about 10yrs ago, and yoo haven't stopped skrikin about it since
But yoo have been posting all over my Brexit topic, and yoo have been posting in an extremely aggressive and provocating way, you are doing your best to get under my and everyone else who likes Brexit's skin, yoo should practice wot yoo preach
Replied: 5th Jun 2023 at 10:49
you taxi drivers are the same to arnt you a self opinionated set of bigots who think of nothin only themselves & rip off the public at every chance they get . you come on here & incite trouble then laugh about it without any care for those who you rub up the wrong way . so let me tell you that you will NOT live down that pic of thatcher you put on our miners blog neither will you live down your hero worship of farage & the conning of the people on here to vote ukip & the bigoted brexit vote .you wont practice wot you preach because you will have to admit that YOU GOT IT WRONG unlike your hero farage who now says that BREXIT HAS,NT WORKED .i hope i am getting under your skin because you deserve it for sending us down the garden path with the wrong vote with the EU .
Replied: 5th Jun 2023 at 12:06
Difference between me and thee Whupsy, is that I can take the sh*te, yoo cannot ........
Replied: 5th Jun 2023 at 13:31
that,s a load of crap . just look up to your reply above mine . you cant take it because if you could you would,nt have replied the way you did . like everyone says about you , why are you always wrong .
Replied: 5th Jun 2023 at 14:21
Are yoo ever right
Replied: 5th Jun 2023 at 14:32
He's a prick whups
Replied: 5th Jun 2023 at 15:09
yes he is erling . and that,s another thing i,m right about 1stroke .
Replied: 5th Jun 2023 at 23:43
Another Brexit problem Eurostar forced to stop running Who would have guessed
so more traffic for Heathrow ETC ETC ETC more traffic on the roads so the problems you see at the ports will carry on to the airport meaning more money needed to be spent on infrastructure in the south so less money going to the north ETC ETC ETC
Replied: 6th Jun 2023 at 07:10
Last edited by peter israel: 6th Jun 2023 at 07:26:37
23rd weekend of protests against the Government in sunny Israel. And the residents keep worrying about BRITISH matters. I asked this before, do you pay UK taxes?
Replied: 6th Jun 2023 at 07:51
Last edited by broady: 6th Jun 2023 at 07:57:26
"Another Brexit problem Eurostar forced to stop running "
London to Paris, Eurostar = £218.00
Liverpool to Paris, Ryanair = £11.82
Eurostar WANT shutting!
Replied: 6th Jun 2023 at 10:12
Replied: 6th Jun 2023 at 10:38
Apples and pears Have you tried to transport a pet over to the EU on Ryanair.... how about a ton of cargo!!!! Sorry to say that was the problem!! Brexiteers did not look at the bigger picture and still don't just stupid remarks.....
And how do you get to liverpool? so you spend time getting to liverpool to fly
And broady i still am a British citizenship and have" investments" in the uk Do you speak French??? Your asking me about why i am interested in what is happening with the UK??? Do you know what is the meaning of oxymoron.....
Replied: 6th Jun 2023 at 12:41
Peter Israel
"Brexiteers did not look at the bigger picture and still don't just stupid remarks....."
That is your opinion, and yoo have a right to have it, and so does Whupsy, and every other person in this world
Replied: 6th Jun 2023 at 13:08
“And how do you get to liverpool? so you spend time getting to liverpool to fly ”
We are in Wigan, close to Liverpool.
The Eurostar goes from London.
Ryanair do Paris from Stansted, which is much easier to access than St Pancras station!
Ryanair will take pets. I think it’s £60.
You couldn’t take a ton of cargo on Eurostar for £218.
Replied: 6th Jun 2023 at 14:03
Tonker.
Ryanair fly to Beauvais Airport which is about 60 miles away from Paris! Add another £100 plus for a taxi to Paris plus £60 for a pet, and then add your luggage costs on top of that plus the hassle of getting to Paris from Beauvais Airport!
Let the train take the strain and it will drop you off in Paris, not 60 miles away
Replied: 6th Jun 2023 at 14:16
Peter,
As a nonresident I was constantly told I should have no opinion on UK politics. I am still a UK citizen. The reason the gent doesn’t chastise you is because you sing from the same hymn sheet. My question was are you a UK tax payer. If you check my posts I don’t comment on politics.
Replied: 6th Jun 2023 at 14:25
Well I have heard of folk being a 'Doubting Thomas' when it comes to Brexit, but on here we have a 'Doubting Puss'
Yoo could always catch a bus or the train from Beauvais Airport to Paris LINK
Replied: 6th Jun 2023 at 14:27
Of course you can. But Would you like to travel on a bus 60 miles with a dog and 2 suitcases!
Replied: 6th Jun 2023 at 14:39
No
Replied: 6th Jun 2023 at 15:15
the man,s an idiot .
Replied: 6th Jun 2023 at 19:11
Who ?
The man in the mirror
Replied: 6th Jun 2023 at 20:01
you know who 1stroke .
Replied: 6th Jun 2023 at 20:10
Tommy Two Stroke
Do you mean those that base their political opinions on what they read in the Daily Mirror or the vain ones who look in a glass mirror and say to themselves, what a handsome chap I am?
Replied: 7th Jun 2023 at 07:25
Last edited by Owd Codger: 7th Jun 2023 at 07:40:09
Or does he mean the senile posters?
Replied: 7th Jun 2023 at 10:35
i believe that a person who voted to leave the EU was only thinking at the time about their "own" interest and not the greater good for the UK!
And they were hoodwinked into believing that it was good to leave!! And now it has be proven that it was not what was sold to the public .... But if your still doubling down now when their is information to prove the latter WELL??????
Replied: 7th Jun 2023 at 11:07
and a bigoted one peter israel . they have led us down the garden path because of it .
Replied: 7th Jun 2023 at 11:29
Ruined me topic
Replied: 7th Jun 2023 at 11:42
Whups that's why i believe that everyone should Travel And I'm not speaking about two weeks in spain..... what i have learned is how lucky i was to be born in the UK and what opportunities i had and it's only luck your born were your born!!!
Today it seems that the UK is full of People complaining why their life is crap and blaming everyone else for there own problems....
Traveling around a 3rd world country and seeing kids with no opportunities then it hits home and these bigoted ideas have usually have come from the one's who have never left were they grew up even if it sat in a bar in Alabama......
Replied: 7th Jun 2023 at 12:19
How would yoo like it if I rooined your topic
Replied: 7th Jun 2023 at 13:41
he cant spell either .your thread was about britian surging past the EU was,nt it . so tell us how we are doing now that we are far worse off than most of the EU .
Replied: 7th Jun 2023 at 14:10
Last edited by whups: 7th Jun 2023 at 14:12:36
Whups,
Is moving to Israel not classed as “doing a runner?”
Replied: 7th Jun 2023 at 14:20
why dont you ask him broady .
Replied: 7th Jun 2023 at 23:53
I’m asking you as it seems to be one of your favourite phrases.
Replied: 8th Jun 2023 at 00:05
only for you pal . now you ask him .
Replied: 8th Jun 2023 at 11:45
now 1stroke here,s your brexit surge for you . inflation 19%
£7 billion more spent due to
brexit trade barriers
90% maize products made overseas.
70% of vegetable oil imported . queues miles long at dover & airports . yes 1stroke very good isnt it (not) . you have led us a merry dance with your bigoted vote .
Replied: 8th Jun 2023 at 12:33
Whupsy
Yoo could whinge for England
Replied: 8th Jun 2023 at 13:33
Back too topic
Whupsy
"Eurozone slips into recession as revised data shows two quarters of falling output"
LINK
In case yoo don't know Whupsy, Britain is not in recession, we are not in the Eurozone (never were) and now we are not in the EU
I mean why would we want to be in the EU ?
Why Whupsy, Why ?
Replied: 8th Jun 2023 at 14:09
yet another load of rubbish 1stroke . why do you always turn a blind eye to the truth ? . there,s no shame in saying you got it wrong . just look at your hero farage .
Replied: 8th Jun 2023 at 15:36
Whupsy
Why don't yoo answer a question with an answer, instead of just coming out with pointless rhetoric
Replied: 8th Jun 2023 at 15:46
Eurostar ? £218 ? Ca plane pour moi !
Replied: 8th Jun 2023 at 20:55
Last edited by tonker: 8th Jun 2023 at 20:56:17
It' fine with me Eurostar
Replied: 8th Jun 2023 at 22:18
you started it 1stroke .
Replied: 8th Jun 2023 at 23:45
Yes Whupsy, I have been waiting for yoo too post tonight on me topic yoo twisted demented ****
Why don't you go and see a psychiatrist
Replied: 8th Jun 2023 at 23:50
iv,e said before that you wont answer any question because you would have to admit you GOT IT WRONG like your hero farage .
Replied: 9th Jun 2023 at 01:23
How come a guy that hasn’t worked for yonks and only leaves the house now and then is so well informed regarding sport, politics , etc.?
Replied: 9th Jun 2023 at 06:08
Perhaps, its because he and his cronies read the Daily Mirror!
Replied: 9th Jun 2023 at 10:13
Try it OC you might pick something up
Replied: 9th Jun 2023 at 12:20
I rarely buy a newspaper these days, especially the Wigan Observer, it is jammed packed full of nothing, but if I do buy a newspaper it is the Daily Mirror, and at one time I bought it everyday
Replied: 9th Jun 2023 at 12:44
how come a chap that doesnt live here have any imput on things that affect us in this country .
Replied: 9th Jun 2023 at 23:44
Ooooooohhhh
Replied: 9th Jun 2023 at 23:45
I rarely pass comment on politics. As you rightly say it doesn’t affect me. But neither does it affect others who “ have done a runner”
Replied: 10th Jun 2023 at 01:26
you rarely pass a comment of any value anyway .
Replied: 10th Jun 2023 at 12:07
"Britain signs £12trillion treaty in breakthrough for Brexit Britain - it couldn't be done whilst we were in EU"
Business and Trade Secretary Kemi Badenoch has formally signed the treaty to accede to CPTPP trade group in New Zealand this morning
LINK
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 13:24
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 16th Jul 2023 at 13:30:25
a load of codswallop . believe it when you see it .
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 13:50
The last link Tommy posted via GOV.UK website regarding dentists was a load of bull. You couldn't even get a dentist via his link
"Cheaper consumer prices: Reduced tariffs on imported goods could also lead to cheaper prices for British consumers on high-quality products like fruit juices from Chile and Peru and honey and chocolate from Mexico."
It would be better if it meant cheaper essentials like eggs, potatoes, meat, bread etc!
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 14:00
Last edited by cheshirecat: 16th Jul 2023 at 14:05:19
wot did i say . this idiot will grab at any straws before he admits he got it wrong .
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 14:02
Hi there TTS /
G.B.
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 14:15
Last edited by GOLDEN BEAR: 26th Mar 2024 at 13:27:04
get it in your yeds , NO-ONE WANTS TO TRADE WITH US .
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 14:17
I'm sure Tommy2stroke posts links but doesn't read them prior to posting.
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 14:49
What a load of codswallop !!!!
Why is my link to the government's dentist website a dud ?
As regards the London School of Economics, that is the estimate on the present trade with CPTPP trade group, that does not take into account new business, and future business gained as a result of the treaty, and the LSE keep forecasting that Britain is falling into recession, they have been saying that ever since the pandemic, but they have been wrong every time.
Signing a treaty like that It is good news, it is just you bitter remoaners, who keep wanting to run down our wonderful country, why don't yoo get over it, take some laxatives or have an enema, and get all the crap out of yourselves
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 16:04
Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (13374)
"What a load of codswallop !!!! Why is my link to the government's dentist website a dud ?"
Posted by: ahcawntspeyk (5984)
"tts
That link is a waste of space! It gives a list supposed to be taking patients but when you phone those dentists they say they aren't !"
^^^
There is your answer
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 18:18
Cheshire Puss
But have you 'verified' the information given by ahcawntspeyk ?
Have you checked to see if dentists who are listed has accepting certain types of patient, are indeed accepting those patients or not ?
In any case, I am not on about NHS dentists, I am on about 'The Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership'
Look !!!! , Kemi signed it in New Zealand on behalf of the UK, and we have already signed trade agreements with New Zealand and Australia
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 18:39
I'll look forward to fruit juices from Chile and Peru and honey and chocolate from Mexico. I can't wait.
I'd prefer cheaper Cheshire potatoes and Cheshire cheese.
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 20:59
And in the old days cheese from France, wine from Germany, pasta from Italy. Buy some Coors lager and support the Canadian economy.
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 21:36
Double post. Not paying attention.
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 21:37
Last edited by broady: 16th Jul 2023 at 21:38:03
I like Coors Lite and Budweiser
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 22:02
Czech Bud is far superior to American Bud.
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 23:01
Last edited by ena malcup: 16th Jul 2023 at 23:27:57
I wonder what Whupsy thinks about it
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 23:31
absolute rubbish . 0.08 for the economy isnt worth the paper it,s printed on . is this the kind of deal you dragged us down the garden path for . you shud be damned ashamed of yourself but i know you arnt & prepared to ruin us just because you wont admit you got it wrong .
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 23:43
Whupsy
I was referring to Bud otherwise known as Budweiser, but you don't drink do you, but yoo Whupsy are on about 'The Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership'
Replied: 16th Jul 2023 at 23:50
I do like a really hoppy beer, (or even a really hoppy bier).
Replied: 17th Jul 2023 at 00:51
you mean i dont drink now . you cant think with a clear head when on the sauce , is that why you are always wrong .
Replied: 17th Jul 2023 at 01:29
True, it does befuddle you and adversely affect your judgement.
Replied: 17th Jul 2023 at 02:06
Are your posts with a clear head? If they are I suggest you go out on the pi** again because you spout repetitive rubbish. Have a nice day. Get some fresh air.
Replied: 17th Jul 2023 at 06:13
Ena Malcup
If you want to drink a "hoppy" beer, Lager is not the beer fror you!
Replied: 17th Jul 2023 at 06:59
I think you will find Czech Bud is very hoppy.
(tisn't like the American stuff of same name)
Replied: 17th Jul 2023 at 09:55
Last edited by ena malcup: 17th Jul 2023 at 10:26:42
I prefer the lighter beers, more barley malt, the hoppy ones are too bitter for me
Replied: 17th Jul 2023 at 11:20
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 17th Jul 2023 at 11:22:39
yes they are broady but yours are not . everyone you talk to seems to be in a bar ? . you might have a drink problem & if i were you i,d try AA , they might help .
Replied: 17th Jul 2023 at 11:25
Whupsy
On about Hops, yoo are a very Hoppy person, because you must be one of the most 'bitter' people I have ever come across, yoo should be more of a Barley Malt person, and lighten up a bit, and be happy
Replied: 17th Jul 2023 at 11:44
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 19th Jul 2023 at 10:46:01
and your the most stupid & gullible person iv,e met . if farage con con you anyone can .
Replied: 17th Jul 2023 at 11:55
Whups,
More drivel. I have had a drink in one bar in Canada in the last eighteen months. That was accompanying visitors from the UK. I spent most of yesterday in what, to you, would be a strange environment. I was in the fresh air. You should try it.
Replied: 17th Jul 2023 at 14:23
yea that,s wot you tell us . i,m out regular & i get enough fresh air . maybe you dont want any because it will affect your abliliy to think straight .
Replied: 17th Jul 2023 at 15:23
Replied: 17th Jul 2023 at 22:34
Hope you enjoyed your trip. Have you escaped the heatwave(s)?
Replied: 17th Jul 2023 at 22:45
Last edited by ena malcup: 17th Jul 2023 at 22:46:31
Peter Israel
I have been wondering where you are
The link to the Guardian newspaper, should be viewed in the perspective that the Guardian is a left wing pro remain in the EU newspaper, which has no more use than to be cut into squares, and fastened into a pile, and attached to the rear of a bog door, and used to wipe the arses of the populace
Replied: 17th Jul 2023 at 22:56
yes i do . stay sober , you shud try it sometime .
Replied: 18th Jul 2023 at 00:03
You SHOULD try spelling lessons. Here’s a question for you. If you needed surgery and the surgeon was a Conservative, Man City supporting person would you have the surgery?
Replied: 18th Jul 2023 at 01:01
Numb Nuts,
Have you grasped yet that when it says I have posted at 1.01am it is only 18.01 pm here. Even you when you were psst every night should grasp that. Now work out what time it was here when I posted this.
Replied: 18th Jul 2023 at 05:59
I drink proper beer!
Replied: 18th Jul 2023 at 07:05
grasping at straws again broady . wots up have i hit a raw nerve .
Replied: 18th Jul 2023 at 11:55
i dont have to clown . i dont live there & i dont have anything to do with canada . i bother about wots going on here & not there . you shud do the same, clown . stay dry for july .
Replied: 18th Jul 2023 at 12:23
British business investment has barely grown since mid-2016, in contrast with other advanced economies. While Brexit-supporting economists point to the fact that capital grew strongly in the years leading up 2016 and was bound to slow, business surveys point to Brexit as one cause of the stagnation.
The YouGov survey of more than 2,000 British people showed 63% now regard Brexit as more of a failure than a success, compared with 12% who saw it as more of a success. A further 18% said it was neither.
Replied: 18th Jul 2023 at 19:44
Ena,they are advertising Czech Bud lager in Llid magazine£11.99 for 12 .
Replied: 18th Jul 2023 at 20:55
Thanks for the heads up, Peter. I might give Lidl a look.
Last time, I bought it from Iceland. (They had both Czech and US), but this morning I noticed the store was boarded up. Had not heard that it was closing, but it would seem that it has done so.
These days, I drink but a miniscule amount of alcohol, but I do like a lager with my curry.
Replied: 18th Jul 2023 at 21:35
Last edited by ena malcup: 18th Jul 2023 at 21:45:30
The link to the Guardian newspaper, should be viewed in the perspective that the Guardian is a left wing pro remain in the EU newspaper, which has no more use than to be cut into squares, and fastened into a pile, and attached to the rear of a bog door, and used to wipe the arses of the populace ......... Funny your saying that TTS that's what Coutts bank has done with your man Nigel Farage wipe their arses of him
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 09:41
Peter Israel
You really are spoiling for a fight aren't yoo
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 10:04
Czech Budwieser is the original Budwieser, the American version is a copy.
The Czech beer is far superior!
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 10:18
Peter Israel
As regards Farage, yoo and Whupsy can say what you like about him, I am not bothered, it doesn't bother me, I look at the Brexit thing has a whole, the referendum and exit from the EU is done and dusted, and part of history now, so what the central characters in that story have done since, or what they are doing now, or will do in the future, is their business, and I mean the likes of Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, Domminic Cummins etc, I just don't give a damn about them.
Peter Israel & Whupsy
Why don't yoo talk about the nuts and bolts of Brexit, or have you nothing to say, can you only make personal attacks on people, people who are no longer relevant to Brexit ?
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 10:22
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 19th Jul 2023 at 10:22:58
On the subject of Brexit.
"Jaguar Land Rover-owner Tata has confirmed plans to build its flagship electric car battery factory in the UK.
The new plant in Somerset is expected to create 4,000 UK jobs and thousands more in the wider supply chain.
Tata said it will invest £4bn in the site but it is understood that the government is providing subsidies worth hundreds of millions of pounds.
The plant is described as the most important investment in UK automotive since Nissan arrived in the 1980s.
The new gigafactory will be one of the largest in Europe and will make batteries for Jaguar Land Rover vehicles like Range Rover, the Defender and the Jaguar brands.
The plan is to supply other car manufacturers as well, with production at the new factory is due to start in 2026"
LINK
They chose the UK instead of Spain for the site of the new factory
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 10:45
And??
Whats that got to do with brexit?
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 11:21
if it was not for brexit the uk government would not have to provide subsidies worth hundreds of millions of pounds of tax payers money
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 11:26
your not bothered because you hoodwinked people on here to vote for the liar farage did,nt you & now he,s admitted it has,nt worked he,s looking to find blame elsewhere just like you . BREXIT HAS,NT WORKED & your grasping at straws with paltry deals what are worthless in the long run . all these so-called "deals" promised by johnson & the rest of the pro brexiteers have disappered into thin air just like we all said it would happen but the likes of you who cant see the forest for the trees & dragged us into a world of uncertainty dont care anymore now you got your own way. your a load of bull & so is your thinking .
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 11:51
I remember when both Land Rover and Jaguar had a good reputation in UK. Today, it seems both have a rather crap reputation.
If TATA do for UK car manufacturing what they did for UK steel manufacturing we will be having a wake for both before long.
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 11:52
like iv,e said ena , short range deals that will dissappear into thin air .
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 12:03
I'm sick of Brexit. I'd rather talk about beer !
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 12:32
Like some people say! The British don't want to do dirty hard jobs!!! that's why Farage could only find a German to marry
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 12:43
Peter Israel
"if it was not for brexit the uk government would not have to provide subsidies worth hundreds of millions of pounds of tax payers money"
But that is the point of Brexit, the UK can offer incentives to attract business to this country, without having to abide by EU rules
Cheshire Feline
"And??
Whats that got to do with Brexit?"
Same as the above answer to Peter Israel
Whupsy
"your not bothered because you hoodwinked people on here to vote for the liar farage"
Have yoo ever heard of the term "You are like a stuck record"
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 13:33
Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke
"But that is the point of Brexit, the UK can offer incentives to attract business to this country, without having to abide by EU rules"
They could do that before! In fact the EU are still doing it along with non EU countries and also India and Africa! So don't try and convince people that this is a benefit of brexit!
At the end of the day, you are only kidding yourself.
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 15:01
Cheshire Puss
No they could not doo it before, because it is what is known as 'state funding' and in the EU if one EU country offers state funding to a company, then that gives an unfair advantage to that country in competition terms with other EU countries, which is against EU rules.
LINK
Not long after the referendum, the boss of Nissan came to Britain to have a chinwag with Theresa May about the possibility of the British Government providing some financial incentives for Nissan to build a new factory or production line for vehicle assembly in Britain, and Theresa May explained that Britain could only do that after Britain had left the EU.
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 15:55
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Tommy
but, when we were in EU, they gave TATA over half a Billion to subsidise steel making in UK.
That was money down the drain!
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 15:56
Also, I seem to remember they gave Dyson an undisclosed sum to manufacture in UK, which he pocketed, and then shifted the manufacturing to S E Asia nevertheless.
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 16:13
Stop stating facts, Ena! Tommy doesn't like facts! He just likes to try and justify his vote for leaving the EU.
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 17:09
Last edited by cheshirecat: 19th Jul 2023 at 17:12:29
Dyson repaid a £ 7.8 million grant to the UK government when he scrapped proposed UK and Singapore factories to build electric cars.
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 17:26
Ena
No they did not give TaTa half a billion quid, because in 2016 TaTa was threatening to put it's UK steel division into administration, and it was up for sale, they wanted the British Government to put some money into TaTa to save it, but the government explained that there were two reasons why that was not possible, firstly it was against EU rules and secondly it was against government policy to prop up failing businesses, because that just chucked good money after bad money, but the government said that they would do as much as they could to help any business wishing to buy TaTa Steel, under the existing laws as they were in 2016, because steel production in the UK was looked on as a strategic asset, so the offer was of loan guarantees and things like that, but as it turned out, and after the result of the referendum, TaTa Steel withdrew the UK steel company from sale, in order to see how Brexit would pan out.
In fact at the moment TaTa Steel wants £1.5billion quid from the UK government, and the government have offered them £300million, in 2016 they could not have given them the money, now the government can give them the money.
Did yoo get that too Cheshire Puss
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 17:33
I think you will find that is money UK government will be paying them to STOP making steel and turn over to being re-melting furnaces, only capable of RECYCLING steel.
Steel was always recycled in the blast furnaces along with primary production.
The chemistry of the blast furnace (Reduction) is hot carbon monoxide gains an oxygen atom to become carbon dioxide. It takes that oxygen from ferric oxide (ore)which becomes iron. Although energy is input to bring the blast furnace up to working temperature, this reaction is exothermic, ie generates heat.
The same applies to the conversion of iron into steel.
The scrap added to the furnace is melted for no cost using this exothermic reaction.
Scrap melted in the electric arc furnace will always be more expensive to recycle than that done in the blast furnace.
All we will get is an uncompetitive industry that cannot be sustained. That will not cause concern to the Indian and Chinese, as they will have the markets and try to supply from their other production facilities.
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 18:04
^^^^^^
Did yoo get that, Tommy?
"In fact at the moment TaTa Steel wants £1.5billion quid from the UK "
What would we get for our £1.5billion quid, Tommy?
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 18:08
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Ena
Yes I know they want the money for green stuff now, but the point is that the government don't have to worry about EU rules now, because of Brexit.
Cheshire Puss
Did yoo get that ^^^^^^^
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 18:14
But surely the EU rules would be better in this situation re Tata Steel?
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 18:22
Cheshire Puss
The green stuff ?
I don't know and I don't care
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 18:42
So you have just spouted a load of rubbish all afternoon to suit your agenda? And in your own words, you haven't a clooo!
I'll agree with you on that one
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 18:55
Cheshire Puss
No,,, I care about Brexit, not about whether TaTa should be given money to turn green, so stop twisting the facts to suit YOUR agenda, and just why are you a remainer, why did you want to stay in the EU ?
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 19:08
For one, it enables the freedom for EU members to work anywhere in the EU.
It also allows them to study & live anywhere in the EU. Also it allowed you to retire in another EU country.
Freedom of travel, and also they subsidied British farmers very generously.
Now. Why did you want to leave?
Surely it wasn't because you expected 40 new hospitals, £350 million pounds per week for the NHS, and immigration to be clamped down on? Or was it?
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 20:38
Cheshire Puss
Those benefits you mention came at a cost, the cost in fiscal terms to the UK of being a member of the EU, (how much they screwed us for) and as regards the freedom of movement you relished so much, that came at the cost of the reciprocal right for EU citizens to live and work here also, which was massively abused by the poorer countries who were members of the EU, people from those countries came here in their millions and that made us all poorer in the UK even you Puss, that put and still puts a massive strain on the infrastructure of the UK.
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 22:09
if you want to join a club you have to pay the membership . it will be TATA to our money & that,s a fact . where is that 350,000,000 quid promised for the NHS . where are the subsidies promised for the farmers . in thin air just like all the other brexit promises .
Replied: 19th Jul 2023 at 23:53
Tommy.
You did not answer my question after I politely answered yours
My question was
"Now. Why did you want to leave?"
Replied: 20th Jul 2023 at 12:37
And why did some want to stay without being led by a political party or a newspaper?
Replied: 21st Jul 2023 at 06:59
Cheshire Puss
"
Tommy.
You did not answer my question after I politely answered yours
My question was
"Now. Why did you want to leave?""
I thought that my answer did answer that question
Replied: 21st Jul 2023 at 16:09
Ive got it now.
I was right in my assumption
So you did / want illegal immigration to be clamped down on. Nothing wrong with that, I agree with you on that point
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Yoo should never assume anything
Replied: 21st Jul 2023 at 17:11
people are usually led by something or someone . just look at 1stroke being led down the garden path by farage .
Replied: 21st Jul 2023 at 17:31
Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (13432)
"Yoo should never assume anything"
I assumed right , though
Replied: 21st Jul 2023 at 19:39
Whupsy
"1stroke being led down the garden path by farage"
And yoo were led down the garden path by Arthur Scargill, the difference between me and you Whupsy, is that I wanted and still want what is best for Britain, you wanted and probably still want, what is worse for Britain, such as power cuts and folk dying, I try and be a good guy, but yoo Whupsy are a bad guy, you are an anarchist
Replied: 21st Jul 2023 at 20:30
But you do not know what is best for Britain.
Like everyone else, you have an opinion.
And we live in a world where vast resources are harnessed to shaping opinion that people adhere to.
Replied: 21st Jul 2023 at 21:16
I never said I do know what is best for Britain, but I do 'want' what is best for Britain, and I like to discuss what is best for Britain, not make pathetic personal attacks on people.
Replied: 21st Jul 2023 at 21:29
Tommy.
Do you mean you want what is best for Britain, or what is best for yourself?
Tell us all in your opinion what YOU think is best for Britain?
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Cheshire Puss
"Tommy.
Do you mean you want what is best for Britain, or what is best for yourself?
Tell us all in your opinion what YOU think is best for Britain?"
I don't know
Replied: 21st Jul 2023 at 22:05
we was,nt led down the garden path by anyone as we knew it was coming by thatcher . but you on the other hand certainly was & even tried to hoodwink people on this blog to do the same . wot do you say now that your hero says he made a mistake & it isnt working .
Replied: 21st Jul 2023 at 23:37
Extract from Mrs. Thatcher’s 1988 Bruges speech.
The Prime Minister yesterday served notice on the rest of the European Community that her government would oppose tooth and nail any attempt to turn it into an economic and political union in which Britain might have to cede power to EEC institutions.
Mrs Thatcher chose the magnificent setting of the medieval Hall of Bruges to unfold the banner of a British 'Gaullism' in the face of those who want ultimately to see a united states of Europe.
The first reaction of commissioners and other senior EEC officials to Mrs Thatcher's speech was critical. "Frankly I am shocked. It was much more
negative than I had expected," one commissioner said.
Mrs Thatcher consciously followed in the footsteps of the late French President in asserting that the best way to build the European Community was "willing and active co-operation between independent sovereign states" - a
new version of De Gaulle's "Europe des Patries".
Dismissing the idea that the United States might be a model for the future of Europe - as some of the EEC's founding fathers believed - Mrs Thatcher launched a frontal assault on those within the community who want to take some steps towards that goal.
The Prime Minister launched a thinly disguised attack on the president of the EEC Commission, Mr Jacques Delors, who earlier this year said that, over the next few years, the European Community would become responsible for some
80 per cent of all legislation in the Twelve, during which time an "embryo" European government might emerge.
"It is ironic that just when those countries such as the Soviet Union, which
have tried to run everything from the centre, are learning that success
depends on dispersing power and decisions away from the centre, some in the
community seem to want to move in the opposite direction," she declared.
"We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them reimposed at a European level, with a European superstate exercising a new dominance from Brussels."
Dismissing as irrelevent proposals for a European central bank, Mrs Thatcher
said the EEC should remain committed to a free market economy.
"The basic
framework is there: the Treaty of Rome itself was intended as a charter for
economic liberty," she said. "But that is not how it has always been read, still less applied”
Although the British Government supported the goal of freer trade and movement within the EEC as part of the 1992 internal market, Mrs Thatcher said there was no question of totally abolishing frontier controls, although this was one of the objectives of the Single European Act agreed last year.
Directly contradicting those who argue that internal border controls are bureaucratic irrelevances in the fight against crime and terorism, Mrs Thatcher said they would still be necessary "to protect our citizens and
stop the movement of drugs, of terrorists, of illegal immigrants".
The British Government did want to see Europe develop "a greater sense of common purpose" but, Mrs Thatcher insisted, "it must be in a way which preserves the different traditions, parliamentary powers and sense of national pride in one's own country, for these have been the source of
Europe's vitality throughout the centuries."
The Prime Minister hinted at a growing worry that the United States might be tempted to run down its commitment to maintain vast military forces in Western Europe and underlined her personal commitment to maintaining and
modernising nuclear weapons as well as more effective conventional forces.
She said: " .. it is a question of political will and political courage, of convincing people in all our countries that we cannot rely for ever on others for our defence, but that each member of the (Nato) Alliance must
shoulder a share of the burden."
Replied: 22nd Jul 2023 at 08:21
This clip is from a documentary about the Common Market (EEC)(EU) which was made in 1962, as far back as that the EU European Institutions were in existence, we only joined the damn thing in 1973 LINK
Replied: 22nd Jul 2023 at 15:21
And we also know that that Thatcher was responsible for many of the everyday problems we have now have today as a result of her yuppie policies of privatisation based on greed for the minority and not cheaper essential services for the majority!
Replied: 23rd Jul 2023 at 08:07
Owd Codger
So if Margaret Thatcher hadn't been elected in 1979 and James Callaghan had been elected in the same year, because there would have had to have been a general election before the end of October 1979, so how exactly would things have been better ?
That is a serious question, requiring a serious answer.
Replied: 23rd Jul 2023 at 14:14
The important work for the first Thatcher government was to get the economy back on track after the 1976 IMF bailout.The harsh measures introduced and the sell off of utilities were all influenced by the terms of the bailout.
Replied: 23rd Jul 2023 at 14:25
But would Callaghan have had to privatise everything the same way that Thatcher did ?
Replied: 23rd Jul 2023 at 14:49
Pure conjecture one stroke and he certainly couldn't have made a bigger mess of the industrial North than the old bag did
Replied: 23rd Jul 2023 at 15:50
no way callaghan would have privitised anything & we would,nt be in this mess now . and for those who extol the sale of our utilities you shud hang your heads in shame . blatant tory rule of looking after their tory donors & backers & for ANY sell-off of OUR utilities there shud have been a referendum on wether or not they shud be sold off . look at the state of them now with foriegn companies making a killing here then ALLOWED to send the profits back to their respective countries to bolster up the profits that they cant make there on the backs of the UK people . shameful doesnt even come close .
Replied: 24th Jul 2023 at 11:26
Whupsy
So if Callaghan had been reelected in 1979, everything would have been good, no recession etc ?
Replied: 24th Jul 2023 at 11:40
yes .
Replied: 24th Jul 2023 at 11:41
Whupsy
Are yoo sure about that
Replied: 25th Jul 2023 at 10:16
The 1976 IMF bailout terms dictated what any PM could do. Jim Callaghan would have had to follow the same, or similar, programme as Mrs Thatcher.
Unfortunately post Mrs. Thatcher the UK has again got poorer. The main reason being the low level of productivity.
The average American is 39 per cent wealthier and 38 per cent more productive than the average UK resident Housing is also much cheaper in the US.
Replied: 25th Jul 2023 at 10:35
yes.
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Gaffer
So really, what we need is another Maggie to sort the country out
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if you want to ruin business or manufacturing , putting people on the dole , rubbing the palms of tory donors then ok . why am i not suprised by your hero worship of thatcher 1stroke .
Replied: 25th Jul 2023 at 12:24
TTS
What's for certain is that UK productivity has to be addressed otherwise we'll continue getting poorer. I doubt that ether Soonak or Starmer understand the urgency or the need for it. So yes it does need somebody with the drive and determination of Mrs Thatcher.
Prior to the IMF bailout we had the 14% devaluation of Sterling 9 years earlier by Harold Wilson. It fed into the ecomic conditions that led to the bailout. On TV Harold said that for people in the UK the £ in your pocket is still the same, it clearly wasn't it was worth 14% less.
Historically the UK started going downhill economically with Attlee's 30.5% devaluation of Sterling in 1949. Several countries had their currency tied to Sterling causing them to devalue to the same extent.It caused major trade disruptions across the world and diminished trust in the UK.
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wots more certain you,ll get more drivel from the site economist , that,s for sure .
Replied: 25th Jul 2023 at 13:20
Whupsy
So what does the site trade unionist say then ?
Come on Whupsy what would yoo have done in 1979 ?
When you were watching the news in early 1979 when Callaghan was still Prime Minister, and it was in that very cold winter of discontent, and everyone was on strike, you will have had an opinion about it, so should everyone have been given a big pay rise ?
Stuff inflation eh Whupsy and mental interest rates.
I bet you said that Callaghan was a Tory
Replied: 25th Jul 2023 at 13:45
Unfortunately, there is not a second North Sea Oil Bonanza for a reincarnation of Mrs Thatcher to blow on massive unemployment payments in order to furnish a repeat performance.
Replied: 25th Jul 2023 at 13:57
Ena
Oil played it’s part in creating the economic difficulties of the 1980’s
Crude oil prices increased four-fold in 1974, then fell back before almost tripling again in 1979, triggering the early 1980s recession. Over the decade, CPI inflation and the unemployment rate peaked at 25 per cent and 5.7 per cent respectively.
Replied: 25th Jul 2023 at 15:11
Thatcher messed it up big style
Replied: 25th Jul 2023 at 16:19
there,s nothin in britian british anymore with tory policies that have sold off every utility we have & the fools who support their policies shud be ashamed of themselves because they have played a part in this mess .
Replied: 25th Jul 2023 at 23:49
Whups, All is not quite sold off just yet. We still have Uncle Joes opp the Deanery and believe it or not Spud u like has made a very British comeback at the Trafford Centre, albeit it's nearly a tenner for the spud apparently.
Replied: 26th Jul 2023 at 00:39
cheap at half the price . no investors here they cant make enough money out of it .
Replied: 26th Jul 2023 at 01:11
Whups
In the late night or should I say early morning spirit of things again?
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i reply when i want todger . please note the time of this reply .by the way people are still waiting on YOUR reply on those so-called footie stars you trained.
Replied: 26th Jul 2023 at 11:31
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Yoo tell him Whuspy
Replied: 26th Jul 2023 at 11:35
stop suckoling 1stroke your making me nervous .
Replied: 26th Jul 2023 at 11:46
Lighten up, it was just a bit of banter!
And why do I have to mention any names of football players that went on to play at a professional level after playing in junior football teams I ran!
A pity that the United armchair watchers did not do likewisewhen they were younger!
Replied: 27th Jul 2023 at 07:34
how do you know todger ? .
Replied: 28th Jul 2023 at 01:10
Whups
The selling off of everything British has been all part of the global economy which the European Union and people like yourself supported.
Yourself and your cronies condem privatisation of all our utilities and industries but cannot face up to the fact that they all are now ownd by European companies and state owned organisations from within Europe who are ripping us off with high energy prices, fares etc.
Thats what have happened as a result of being a member of the European Union with decisions made in Brussels about who can own what and by whom in all member states.
Replied: 28th Jul 2023 at 08:58
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This what led to the Thatcher privatisation programme.
Yale University Press.
In March 1976 the value of the British pound began to slide. The slide turned into a rout and triggered an economic and political trauma. By September confidence in the pound had collapsed. In April 1975 the 'Wall Street Journal' had run the headline 'Goodbye, Great Britain', advising investors to get out of sterling. The British Labour government under its new Prime Minister James Callaghan was forced to seek help from the International Monetary Fund, a familiar option for Third World countries but highly unusual for a developed western economy. This expert new study uncovers the roots of the most searing economic crisis of postwar Britain. The weakness and instability of the British economy in the mid-1970s, the consequence in part of the 1973 rise in oil prices, raised international alarm. The US government in particular feared economic crisis would drive Britain into a left-wing siege economy, endangering NATO and the EEC. Anticipating the danger, the US Treasury set out to force Britain to make major domestic policy changes. The sterling crisis provided the opportunity. The IMF provided the weapon. Arriving in London in November 1976, the IMF mission announced that the price for the loan included deep cuts in public expenditure. The consequent political crisis was fought out in private and in public, amongst members of the British Cabinet, the Labour Party, the Treasury and the Bank of England. It involved the US President, Treasury and State Department, the Federal Reserve, the German Chancellor and the Bundesbank. Burk and Cairncross uncover the efforts of the Labour government to escape the IMF conditions. They also examine the political agenda, the loss of economic control, the rise of monetarist ideas and the change in the climate of opinion. Juxtaposing gripping narrative with expert analysis, the book provides surprising answers to critical questions and reveals how the breakdown of the postwar consensus on macro-economic management paved the way for the triumph of Thatcherism.
Replied: 28th Jul 2023 at 09:50
Thank you gaffer.
Replied: 28th Jul 2023 at 10:41
TTS
The IMF insisted that the substantial subsidies given to the nationalised industries should be addressed. Selling them was a double gain, sale proceeds and saving on subsidies.
Replied: 28th Jul 2023 at 10:58
US though, had already established quite a track record for interfering in policies of UK government by attacking Sterling. They did so in late 1950's to thwart the Anglo-French attempt to retake Suez Canal. A decade later, they did so again to punish UK government for not joining them in their war in Vietnam: one of the factors leading up to Wilson's devaluation and the consequent flight from Sterling held outside of UK.
Replied: 28th Jul 2023 at 11:33
wot led to thatchers privitisation was pure greed & looking after tory donors & hanger-ons . that,s the real truth . and todger yet again you talk a load of rubbish just like always .
Replied: 28th Jul 2023 at 23:46
ena malcup
Its a good job the Yanks interfered military wise in the second world war or else they would have never had the chance of doing anything concerning UK sterling or other currencies in Europe including the Euro!
Replied: 29th Jul 2023 at 09:17
Yes, I would not deny that.
It is a complicated relationship which we share with them.
But you can pursue further taking the history back a little more. Had they not intervened in WW1, there probably would not have been a WW2. The Treaty of Versailles, was accurately predicted at the time, to spawn another war in twenty years. John Maynard Keynes quite explicitly forewarned of what was to come.
Replied: 29th Jul 2023 at 10:23
Ena Malcup
Good point about the USA also intervening in the first World War.
Another example of the support of our America cousins was during the cold war when we were building missiles like Firesteak and Red Top that were out of date while being built and we had to reply on the USA missiles as our deterrent against the Soviet Union.
The Firesteak missiles were so out of date when built that they were sold to Saudi Arabia!
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Owd Codger
Actually it was the Skybolt missile which caused the problems, Skybolt was an air launched nuclear tipped missile, which would have been launched from the British V bomber fleet, it was jointly being developed by Britain and America, but they couldn't get it to work, then the Americans decided that the future of nuclear deterrence would be from submarine launched ICBM's, so the Americans cancelled Skybolt, and decided to press on with the Polaris submarine ICBM system, which left Britain in a quandary, Britain could carry on alone with Skybolt, or develop a British submarine based ICBM system, the problem was delivering the nuclear warhead to the target, Skybolt and a ICBM delivery system were extremely expensive to develop, and the Americans did not like sharing their technology, mind you if they did share any information with Britain, it immediately ended up in Soviet hands, because of the spies there were in Britain, those lefty Cambridge University spies.
So Britain decided to follow America and go for a submarine launched ICBM system, and they asked the Americans if we could by the Polaris missile from them, we would build the submarines ourselves along with the nuclear warheads, we just wanted the American rockets, so the Americans said yes, but only if they could have a nuclear submarine base in the UK, and agreeing to that would cause the Britsh government of the day political problems, because of the anti-nuclear lobby, in Britain such as CND etc, but the British government agreed, and the Americans got the Holy Loch nuclear submarine base in Scotland and we got the American Polaris missile system
Replied: 30th Jul 2023 at 10:17
Their assumptions concerning the Cambridge ring were probably correct. Seems though to have made little difference as they too were well equipped with soviet agents, frequently at the very heart of most sensitive activities.
(We did also have a Minister for War who was supplying information directly to a soviet spy)
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Profumo
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She came to Israel and opened a night club in tel aviv called Mandy's...
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Peter
From todays Sunday Times
Battle for soul of Israel drives middle class exodus
Tens of thousands of Israelis are emigrating or considering doing so in the wake of an overhaul that curbs the Supreme Court
Protesters blocked Ayalon Highway in Tel Aviv last week
Protesters blocked Ayalon Highway in Tel Aviv last week
CORINNA KERN/REUTERS
Inna Lazareva, Tel Aviv
Sunday July 30 2023, 12.01am, The Sunday Times
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In 2019 Oded, a man in his late thirties leading a comfortable life in Canada, boarded a plane with his husband and two young children to return to his native Israel for good — or so he thought.
Next week the family are flying back to Canada, having reversed their life plans as a result of the political situation in Israel, which culminated last week in new legislation that had reignited mass protests around the country, with people chaining themselves to the roads and reservist soldiers declaring that they would no longer show up for active duty.
“We lived through what we considered some very bad governments in the past,” said Oded, who did not want to disclose his last name for professional reasons, “but it never felt like this — the political situation never scared us before as much as it does now.”
They are among tens of thousands of Israelis who are either emigrating or considering doing so in the wake of a radical judicial overhaul pushed through by the most right-wing government in their country’s history in defiance of eight months of unprecedented nationwide protests.
Aside from the security concerns raised by the reservists’ stance, the consequences of the stand-off for Israel’s economy and society are potentially seismic.
Israel’s economy relies heavily on the hi-tech industry, which for a decade has been the country’s fastest growing sector, accounting for 14 per cent of jobs and almost a fifth of GDP. Its vitality had previously been one of the proudest achievements of Binyamin Netanyahu, the prime minister. Now many of the secular, middle class Israelis who have made the country a world leader in cybersecurity, artificial intelligence and other fields are protesting in the streets and thinking about moving abroad.
Start-up funding for the sector dropped by nearly 70 per cent in the first half of the year, after the reform proposals were made public.
Last week, despite mass nationwide protests, which have been going on for almost eight months, the government ratified new legislation curbing the powers of the Supreme Court, which many say will make Israel less democratic.
The architect of the reforms, Yariv Levin, the justice minister, promised that this was only the initial reform of many. Religious nationalist parties have key roles in Netanyahu’s coalition and many secular Israelis fear that the judicial overhaul will pave the way to a greater crackdown on personal freedoms and other rights.
A poll by Israel’s television channel 13 this week said that more than a quarter (28 per cent) of Israelis were considering leaving the country, with many already possessing a foreign passport.
How serious those intentions are for many people remains unclear, but Ocean Relocation, a firm that assists people with both immigration and emigration, said that since January this year it had received an unprecedented rate of queries to leave Israel.
“After the government passed its law this week, there was again a huge spike in demand,” said Shay Obazanek, director of the international relocation centre at Ocean Group. Whereas last year, the rate of queries the firm received had been equally spread between those wishing to move to and those wishing to move away from Israel, this year about 90 per cent of the queries concerned emigration. “The basic reason that I hear from the people is the fear for their freedom, human rights and the current quality of life in Israel”.
According to figures from the Jewish Agency for Israel, a non-profit organisation that encourages people to move to Israel, in the first quarter of 2023 dropped from almost every country except Russia compared with the first three months of 2022. The drop was attributed to the cost of living as well as the concerns surrounding the government’s planned overhaul of the judiciary, first announced in early January 2023.
Executives from the hi-tech industry have been some of the most vocal protestors against the judicial changes. A survey by the Israel Innovation Authority found that 80 per cent of start-ups established so far this year were opened outside Israel. Many companies also intendeded to register their future intellectual property overseas, a move that would significantly hurt Israel’s tax revenues.
Israeli doctors have also been vocal critics of the proposed overhaul: the Israel Medical Association, which represents nearly all the country’s doctors, held a nationwide 24-hour strike on 25 July, with only emergency and critical care in operation.
Dr Oren Zimhony, an expert in infectious diseases said that the ruling endangered the medical profession “because it will give unrestricted authority for the minister [of health] to appoint and fire anyone he wants, and it also gives him freedom to obtain any medical data without any limitations”.
WhatsApp groups for doctors looking to relocate have opened up. “At present, the groups have around 3,000 doctors – that’s out of 30,000 registered practising doctors in the country,” said Dr Ofri Don Tofield, a GP in central Israel, who is part of one of the groups. “There’s a dentist group, a medical students group, doctors with foreign licences group – so many people are considering leaving.”
Tofield has mixed feelings when considering whether to leave. “It’s an emotional rollercoaster, people do not sleep at night — it’s not that life is not pleasant — this is so much bigger, it’s about giving up something my grandparents fought for, they were Holocaust survivors and they built this country literally from scratch. It’s not something you take lightly,” she added.
“But as things are progressing now, this country is on course to become non-democratic, and non-liberal, ruled by people willing to jeopardise every single moral right and ideal just to get to power. It is difficult to stay.”
Jonathan Rosenblum, an orthodox rabbi from Har Nof, Jerusalem who supports the judicial reforms hoped the threats to leave the country are just an exaggeration. “What has changed here? Did someone outlaw hi-tech? Did someone come and try imposing stricter laws that people have to work around?” he asked, mockingly.
To talk about leaving now is hysteria, but it’s worse than hysteria. It’s so dangerous to Israel when they talk about this.”
One consequence had been Moody’s credit agency’s downgrade of Israel’s outlook in April, he said, which was reinforced last week when the agency released a new report announcing that “ significant risk that political and social tensions over the [judicial reform] issue will continue, with negative consequences for Israel’s economy and security situation.” He added: “People pulling money out of the hi-tech industry is another. It’s simply not playing by the rules of the game.”
Others on the opposite side of the political divide are also alarmed by the threat posed by a loss of confidence in the economy.
“I think leaving the country is terrible,” said Tal Dagan, former general manager of Vimeo Israel and a protestor. “That’s giving up, it’s damaging the country — whenever someone discusses this with me, I try to convince people to stay here and fight for the country. If the good people leave — the best engineers, fighters, and doctors — this will create huge damage. I really hope that people will stay and fight.”
For Oded and his family, leaving behind friends, family, and secure jobs for a new beginning is daunting but they feel there is no other option. “We always believed we could change things even though we felt that politically and ideologically we were a very small minority among Israeli Jews.
“It’s not like we suddenly saw the light,” he said, adding that the family had planned to leave the country even before the new government was elected, partly because of the political turmoil at the time. Events since the turn of the year had erased any doubts about their decision. “We feel that with the judicial reform and the new government, we are in a whole new phase,” he said.
“We really feel unsafe — as a same-sex couple with children, our whole family structure must be fought over in courts, for example for the state’s recognition of our parental rights for both kids. This all hinges on court decisions, and with these reforms, these are things that can be overturned,” he added.
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Mmm. That explains a lot. And they haven’t even mentioned terrorism.
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Oy Vey !!!!
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Any Jew seeing the above would probably refer to him as a schmuck.
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Replied: 31st Jul 2023 at 23:53
Really upped your game now. Not a single spelling mistake.
Replied: 1st Aug 2023 at 00:43
did you ever think i was deliberately doing it just to wind you up wideboy .
Replied: 1st Aug 2023 at 11:50
Really. Why would it wind me up. You banned me from discussing politics a long while ago as I lived outside the UK. However you seem happy to jump into bed with the guy from Israel. Probably because his views coincide with yours. Have a nice day.
Replied: 1st Aug 2023 at 12:01
gaffer All true!! i said a few weeks ago that i am expecting civil war over here.... the country is being taking over by the religious · Orthodox and the religious right wing.. Binyamin Netanyahu, is doing a deal to stay out of prison No other party trusts him he has fu@k them all over in the past he is now scraping at the bottom of the barrel..... The crackdown on personal freedoms are on Israeli Arabs about 18% of the pop to stop then being able to vote!!! For exactable by not putting voting booths in their towns.. This is how bad it's got!! the right wing started to cheer on tv yesterday when they spoke about freeing the guy who murdered Yitzhak Rabin....
But This was going to happen eventually the religious · Orthodox have about 5-6kids and the secular Israeli have about 2.5 so the power would change one day that's if the secular Israeli and Israeli Arabs don't vote to gather as a joint party
when someone finds out i have a uk passport they say "why are you still here".....
So what will happen ??? Binyamin Netanyahu doe's not want to go to jail !! and the religious right wing have nothing to lose because they know they will never get in to power again...... and so we will see in the next few weeks!!!! The jews in history have be good at losing there land
Replied: 1st Aug 2023 at 13:32
Peter Israel, Yoo can say what yoo like about not agreeing with Brexit, but Israel will not be allowed to join the EU if the Israeli government abolishes the judiciary
Replied: 1st Aug 2023 at 13:54
get real wideboy i cant ban ANYONE as i dont run the site . it just shows how childish you really are doesnt it arguing over trivial things like spelling . i see you never pull up 1stroke over his spelling do you . why dont you spit your dummy out & grow up .
Replied: 1st Aug 2023 at 14:55
Whupsy
Yoo and your mate Scargill would abolish the judiciary if you could do, and then you could give everyone compulsory strike pay, whether they are on strike or not
Replied: 1st Aug 2023 at 15:54
“ Why don’t you spit your dummy out and grow up?” Surprise, surprise utter nonsense.
Replied: 1st Aug 2023 at 16:04
we were proved right was,nt we 1stroke , just tell us how many pits are left in the country . you cant assume just wot i will do but there,s 1 thing i wont do is sell the country down the river like you & your hero farage .
Replied: 1st Aug 2023 at 23:50
really wideboy your posts prove that & stardelta had you pegged from the start , so grow up .
Replied: 1st Aug 2023 at 23:51
Your post is nonsense. To grow up you have to STOP spitting your dummy out. Read and digest.
Replied: 2nd Aug 2023 at 00:06
trying to copy me again wideboy . think up your own replies instead of copying me & grow up .it just shows wot kind of person you really are .
Replied: 2nd Aug 2023 at 01:24
Heavens above. Read it, you contradict yourself. I am not copying but pointing out your error.
Replied: 2nd Aug 2023 at 01:31
Heavens above. Read it, you contradict yourself. I am not copying but pointing out your error.
Replied: 2nd Aug 2023 at 01:31
your full of errors wideboy . just look at wot you posted then look at mine . you really are a childish man .
Replied: 2nd Aug 2023 at 11:14
"LONDON, Sept 29 (Reuters) - Britain's economic performance since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic has been stronger than previously thought, with faster growth than Germany or France, according to revisions to official data released on Friday"
LINK
However, next week official figures will be released revealing the opposite, such are lies, damn lies and statistics
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and then some will say broady doesnt put nast comments on here ? .
Replied: 29th Sep 2023 at 17:01
Whups, you keep banging on about pits, all down to Thatcher was it?
Attlee Lab 101 closed between 1947-51
McMillan Con 246 57-63
Wilson Lab 253 64-76
Heath Con 26 70-74
Thatcher Con 115 79-90
Not altogether down to Thatcher was it?
Replied: 29th Sep 2023 at 19:50
The government will do what the government wants to do, regardless of the parliamentary political majority. It is, after all, HM's government.
Replied: 29th Sep 2023 at 20:08
listen freaky those pits you mentioned were mainly at the end of their life & you could walk into another the next day . thatcher on the other hand shut them down out of pure hatred for the miners . it states in her memoirs that she wanted to take them on in the very 1st day in office only to be talked out of it by willy whitelaw . those pits she shut down had plenty of life in them & golborne had 200yrs of coal left in it . i suppose you think about the same of the steel industry which she also decimated with her henchman Ian MacGregor & lets not forget the manufacturing industry either . so count them up as well .
Replied: 29th Sep 2023 at 23:45
UK Manufacturing, The Facts 2022 | Make UK. Make UK's annual analysis of the sector shines a light on the latest manufacturing facts and statistics. With an annual output of £183 billion, the UK remains the ninth largest manufacturing nation in the world.
Replied: 30th Sep 2023 at 08:15
The pits closed like in other countries due to people and companies switching to gas and electric and concerns about fossil fuels affecting the environment.
I had coal fired central heating and when I went to fill the boiler with coal, it was like being in a pit.
And I say the above as someone from a mining family and whose father was made redundant as a result of the closing of the Lancashire Coal Field, but unlike many today when made redundant, got on his bike and found another job.
Many of the pits which were closed have become Industrial Estates providing jobs, some lovely country parks for people to enjoy in their leisure time and some have even become mining museums, again for people to visit and enjoy in the now cleaner atmosphere!
Some need to come out of their time warp and get out more!
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The pits would all have been closed,who ever was in power.
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Whoopsie..I think you've so much hatred inside you of the tories, it's beginning to eat you up. Just go with the flow because no matter what's happened in the past there's nowt you can do about it. Take a chill pill and relax.
Replied: 30th Sep 2023 at 14:14
Posted by: gaffer
"the UK remains the ninth largest manufacturing nation in the world."
Ninth! Is that all?
Nothing to shout about off the rooftops being 9th!
Also, its all well and good manufacturing, but you need buying customers. Sadly, supply is far outweighing demand.
Replied: 30th Sep 2023 at 15:23
I thought we were seventh!
That said, seventh isn't a very good position seeing as the 'top 2' are leagues in front of us. You'd may as well say the UK is fifth in the second division, or close to the best of the rest. Also Rans!
Replied: 30th Sep 2023 at 15:41
and that,s ever since they got rid of thatcher & freaky i have as much hatred against the torys as you have against the labour party .
Replied: 1st Oct 2023 at 00:16
we was number 1 at one time .
Replied: 1st Oct 2023 at 00:17
It wasn’t so much that the UK lost its position as a major global manufacturer but that others caught up and eventually surpassed the UK.
In 1860 there were over 2500 cotton mills in Lancashire employing close to half a million workers. The vast production of cotton sheeting from the Lancashire mills was such that the output was measured in miles. In India today bed sheeting is still referred to as Lancashire sheeting.
Some time later the textile machinery manufacturer Mather and Platt began a major export drive. The availability of cheap Asian labour and up to date machinery signalled the demise of the UK export markets for cotton sheeting.
The Japanese car industry began in earnest with Austin 7s made under licence from the Austin motor company.
And so on.
Replied: 1st Oct 2023 at 11:18
it was because thatcher shut them down . why cant you just say that torys hate anything public or anything that gives the public pleasure .
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Whupsy
Are yoo at all biased in any way
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i,m as biased as you 1stroke .
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Cotton 250
Rather ironically, made in an old mill in Bolton!
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Britain is/was a manufacturing country, we take in raw materials, and make goods out of them, and then export them to the rest of the world, that was Britain earned it's living, along with exploiting countries we had absorbed/occupied into the British Empire, but when the world 'caught up' with Britain in manufacturing, and when the cheaper foreign imports were beginning to bite, and British manufacturing needed to 'adapt' to survive, with modernisation of equipment and working practises, more automation, and a smaller work force etc, the unions would not agree, and they went on strike if a firm tried to modernise it's production systems, so Britain fell even further behind Europe and the rest of the world, at the end of the 1970s Britain was looked on as the 'sick man of Europe' a 'basket case' and it was folk like you, Whupsy and your sodding unions which had caused it
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Whupsy
Have yoo 'cottoned on' yet, to what is being said
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In 1960's and 1970's, I was an electronics and communications engineer. Never any strikes in any of the areas in which I found myself. Not much union either.
That did not stop the rapid decline, and indeed the complete elimination in relation to the UK computer industry.
Government interference: Tony Benn was the lord high executioner of UK computer industry.
Lack of competitiveness: some concerns enjoyed certain protections, and went to the wall immediately it was withdrawn.
Lack of investment. I was lucky, Howard Hughes bought the company that had employed me, he poured money into it. Nevertheless, its continuation was to be Stateside, UK manufacturing soon ceased.
Replied: 1st Oct 2023 at 13:40
Whoopsie, I don't hate the labour party I voted for them most of my life. I was pointing out to all the tory haters that labour will be exactly the same in goverment because all they do in opposition is moan about everything but can't produce any alternatives. Surely even you can see that.
Replied: 1st Oct 2023 at 14:26
Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke
"Whupsy and your sodding unions which had caused it"
If your job was under threat, would you do the same or would you just accept it? I suspect the latter after reading your post
Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke
"Britain fell even further behind Europe and the rest of the world, at the end of the 1970s"
They would have fallen a lot further behind if the Unions hadn't taken action with all the jobs and peoples livelihood's affected!
People thrown on the dole with very little possibility of gaining further employment given the job vacancies at that time.
Do you ever do your reasearch prior to typing your nonsence?
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UK has a long standing productivity deficit.
If that is not remedied, it remains vulnerable to being undercut by manufacture elsewhere.
Some argue that it does not matter, that as a post industrial society, we will export services to earn what we need to permit import of manufactures.
There may be downsides to that. Pretty soon, it looks as if we will not have a steel industry which is capable of supporting a defence industry.
And there is no guarantee that our services will also not lose out to competition from elsewhere.
Replied: 1st Oct 2023 at 15:49
Ena
Another Tony Benn disaster.
From article dated January 2018.
Fifty years ago today, the pair put on a show of unity to explain how the new British Leyland Motor Corporation was going to become a dominant force in the world industry, pumping out a million cars a year from 40 factories. Leyland's marketing and research expertise, coupled with BMH's huge production facilities, would create an industrial powerhouse to rival the American giants.
It was the culmination of months of negotiation and cajoling by then prime minister Harold Wilson and technology minister Tony Benn. Alarmed by Britain's postwar industrial decline, they believed the answer lay in mergers to create giant conglomerates to take on the world. The aim was to restore Britain's position as the world's largest car maker, ahead of the Unites States. To say that things did not pan out this way would be something of an understatement.
Little more than a year later, in a dispute that summed up all that went wrong with this ill-fated venture, production of the Triumph 2000 saloon car ground to a halt as three different unions argued among themselves over who should tighten the dashboard screws.
Full article.
Leyland
Replied: 1st Oct 2023 at 15:52
There is a Sufi saying: Tie two birds together, and they cannot fly, even though they have twice the number of wings.
Replied: 1st Oct 2023 at 16:44
^^^^
I like that one, Ena
Gaffer, that was 50 years ago. What has that got to do with the state of our country 50 years later?
Replied: 1st Oct 2023 at 17:07
Cheshire Cat
YOO, are a left wing pussy.
Replied: 1st Oct 2023 at 18:40
And you are a complete idiot, sometimes
Replied: 1st Oct 2023 at 19:31
EU on brink as Franco-German relationship collapses - 'They HATE each other'
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Replied: 24th Mar 2024 at 13:48
They have bigger problems in France.
France
Replied: 24th Mar 2024 at 19:59
They have bigger problems in France.
France
Replied: 24th Mar 2024 at 20:02
The French should get Liam Neeson on the job, because look how many bad uns he shot in the first 'Taken' film, and that was set in Marseille
Replied: 24th Mar 2024 at 22:09
i see the clowns are at it again .
Replied: 25th Mar 2024 at 11:39
Workshy anything to say about the LABOUR council putting our council tax up? No I thowt not you two faced bleeder!
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bone idle if i were you i,.d keep too destroying the sports section with your bile & refrain from trying to ruin this blog . your the biggest hypocrite on here as your post suggest .
Replied: 26th Mar 2024 at 11:55
idiots like you cant see that this tory government has starved the councils of money then gave them a green light to put up council charges because they had no other form of money or option & idiots like you blame the council instead of the real culprits , THE TORY PARTY .
Replied: 26th Mar 2024 at 14:46
Whupsy
I agree
Replied: 26th Mar 2024 at 14:59
Spot on wh ups this incompetent Tory government have mucked the country right up
Replied: 26th Mar 2024 at 19:22
Wigan Council have indeed been deprived of money of money by the Tory government over the last few years, but the fact remains that they also waste a lot of Council Tax payers money!
But with the increasing number of people not working for a living and not paying Council/Income Tax and National Insurance contributions is not helping services being provided at both national and local levels as they where in the past!
The time has come for a revoution and I do not mean a bloody one, but a different government of a new political party, different than the present two main political parties who in turn over half a century have both failed our country!
And I do not mean the Liberal Democrats they too would be just as bad, if not worse!
Of course, the usual suspects wearing blinkers will disagree!
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More drivel from the usual suspect
Replied: 27th Mar 2024 at 10:54
Miner do you take your pension off the Tories like workshy does? Hypocrite
Replied: 27th Mar 2024 at 11:25
Do you mean the pension I paid for by working for 40 odd year,you don't get that concept do you
Replied: 27th Mar 2024 at 13:27
you cant talk to a hypocrite like him colin he,s still under retirement age & been scrounging the system for over 20yrs .
Replied: 28th Mar 2024 at 01:12
I guessed that Brian ,I bet he thinks the NHS is free too
Replied: 28th Mar 2024 at 07:21
Its free for those on work relatated benefits and pay no national insurance along with the many other perks and no council and income tax that those in work provide for them!
That right Barry and Paul!
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Who are Barry and Paul ?
Replied: 28th Mar 2024 at 11:18
Chuckle Brothers
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maybe it,s his tommy cooper approach that gets him the constant drivel replies .
Replied: 28th Mar 2024 at 11:26
Whups
What's your opinion about the Labour controlled Royal Borough of Greenwich in London ordering the black owner of a chip shop to remove a Union Jack from the the front of his property following complaints from some residents?
No prize for guessing which residents and what flags they support!
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maybe you can answer that because your always on about immigrants arnt you . now that someone shows their alliegance to the flag like iv,e been telling you about . there probably mates of yours
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First Mate
"Chuckle Brothers"
Thank you
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That's OCs version of the story not necessarily the facts his mind can wander
Replied: 28th Mar 2024 at 18:26
It does not wander as much as those who forget the terrible times of the seventies when 'Hello Sailor' Heath and 'Sunny Jim' Callaghan were leading the country!
Replied: 31st Mar 2024 at 07:50
"Whups
What's your opinion about the Labour controlled Royal Borough of Greenwich in London ordering the black owner of a chip shop to remove a Union Jack from the the front of his property following complaints from some residents?
No prize for guessing which residents and what flags they support!"
meanwhile....in the REAL world
Admit it Todger.....you havent got a clue have you
Replied: 31st Mar 2024 at 08:08
Black Todger?
BLACK?
I think you need to get yourself down to specsavers pronto old son
Replied: 31st Mar 2024 at 08:19
star delta
Only read some of the newspaper reports, some of which only showed a young black person outside the shop and no white person in sight, so I assummed he was the owner!
Anyway, what is your opinion of the Labour Council who carried out the dasterly deed!
p.s. Will you be in my grave as quick?
Replied: 31st Mar 2024 at 09:47
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Todger....this is what really happened
The owner of the premises, pictured above painted the design on the wall outside his premises. NOTE:.....he is not black!
So not only is it unapproved signage he did this in a conservation area without permission from the council concerned. In doing so he has ignored and defied planning laws and the council have now subsequently and quite reasonably asked him to remove it.
Now considering this comment of yours....
"No prize for guessing which residents and what flags they support!"
Can you please tell us who these residents are and what flag they support
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star delta
You know very well which residents and what flags they support in the Islamic Republic of Citizen Khan's London!
Replied: 31st Mar 2024 at 10:26
Really?.......and how do we know this?
Replied: 31st Mar 2024 at 10:29
You do this a lot dont you Todge?
Jump to conclusions and make claims you cant back up
Given this latest load of waffle you have come out with how can you expect anyone to take the things you say seriously?
Replied: 31st Mar 2024 at 10:32
Star delta
By having visited it!
And you don't do to bad at just repeating other posters comments say and making sarcastic remaks in return!
Replied: 31st Mar 2024 at 11:59
I have visited it too Todge….about 2 weeks ago.
Now come on, stop changing the subject and justify yoursell. Give us some more of that right wing clap trap and tell us who ‘these’ people are that you allude to being responsible for all of this and what flag it this they fly
Replied: 31st Mar 2024 at 13:20
star delta
Bet it was not in some of the Council areas of London that I have visited!
Perhaps the leafy lanes of Richmond, Surbiton, Twickenham or even Kingston on Thames?
Replied: 31st Mar 2024 at 13:31
Why do you keep changing the subject Todger?
Replied: 31st Mar 2024 at 13:38
star delta
Just to wind you up!
Replied: 31st Mar 2024 at 13:47
Come on Todge….. have another bash!
Tell us who ‘these’ people are?
What flag they fly?
And……how you know they are responsible for raising the issue.
Straight answers please.
Replied: 31st Mar 2024 at 13:49
Come on todge.....speak up man!
You don't want people thinking you are a right wing fascist xenophobic gobs-h***e do you?
Replied: 31st Mar 2024 at 14:04
Stardelta
You are like a dog werrying a rat
Replied: 31st Mar 2024 at 14:06
He is more like a rat werrying a dog!
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